Sunday Gravy with yeah right: Food Science! Calzone VS Stromboli. Who Ya Got?

Greetings Gravy Heads and welcome back!

You tuned in to a good episode if you’re new around here. We’ve got a two-for-one deal going today.

Try as I might I still haven’t been able to fully convey how my thought processes lead to an episode of Sunday Gravy. Fuck man, I can’t explain how my thought processes allow me to put on a goddamn pair of socks much less come up with a topic and build a full meal around it.

Actually we’ve got 2 completely unique, yet quite similar, foods we will be fucking with today.

Todays lesson is the difference between, and the similarities of, the calzone and the stromboli.

Hopefully everyone out there has had the chance to try both items. I’m sure most everyone has tried the calzone but maybe some of you haven’t sampled its close yet still distant cousin, the stromboli.

The calzone is definitely Italian in origin and can easily be found in Italy and most pizza joints in the US.

The Stromboli, in theory, was invented in South Philadelphia and was actually made as more of a sandwich in it’s origin. In fact there are strombolis made with an Italian bread roll instead pizza dough. It is often easier to find the stromboli in an Italian sandwich place rather than a pizza place but they can be found in either.

I’m gonna let Bonappetit give you the tale of the tape on the ingredients:

“There’s a lot of crossover in the filling category. Ingredients like cured meats, vegetables, and herbs can be used in both calzones and stromboli, but there are two things that set them apart. Calzones use ricotta cheese, and stromboli does not. Stromboli is made with mozzarella cheese (preferably low-moisture) to keep moisture at a minimum. This helps the interior dough cook fully. Calzones usually use a blend of cheese that almost always incorporates ricotta.

And then there’s sauce. Calzones never have tomato sauce inside the dough. They’re always dipped. While stromboli is also dip-able, it’s totally cool to put some sauce inside stromboli, pre-roll.”

The best way to describe it for me is the calzone is more closely associated with a pizza while the stromboli is closer to an Italian style sandwich that’s been baked.

Shape-wise think of it this way; the calzone is folded similar to a taco and the stromboli is rolled up similar to a burrito.

They are both delicious but we’re going to give each one a full test-drive and hopefully come up with a winner. I have an affinity for one more than the other but I’ve had fantastic versions of both and have zero issues being served either one.

Plus I had to make the ultimate sacrifice and eat a calzone on Saturday followed by a stromboli on Sunday.

See the commitment I make to you people!

Just a couple of simple bass-lines before we get started. The dough is the exact dough that I use for my flatbread pizzas.

While the sauce for both items is my mother sauce. This was actually the inspiration for the episode now that I think about it. Without getting too maudlin, this is the leftover sauce from Easter when I was initially cooking for my whole family but well, the sauce and pasta were already made the day my ex-wife passed away. The rest of my family was very correctly diverted to visit her in the hospital.

I had a small dinner by myself and froze the rest that day and here we are.

Anyway.

On the first day – we made a calzone.

Follow along as we do this pictorial-style.

Let’s do this shit.

First important tip!

Preheat your pizza stone in a 450 degree oven.

Next we make the dough.

Stolen directly from that flatbread post: 

Flatbread/Pizza dough!

“1 package of active dried yeast.

Just one of those little packets

2/3 cup of lukewarm water – no need to be precise on temperature since we don’t want a big rise.

2 cups of all purpose flour.

1 teaspoon of baking powder.

3/4 teaspoon of salt.

2 tablespoons of olive oil.

1 tablespoon of honey.

In a small bowl add the yeast to the water and stir until the yeast dissolves.

Next grab a bigger bowl and mix together the flour, salt and baking powder.

Add the water and dissolved yeast to the mixed dry ingredients then add in the olive oil and the honey and mix together.

Using just your hands, mix everything together.”

The dough is going to rest for 30 minutes.

Place on a floured surface.

Be sure to put aside half of the dough for tomorrow.

Cover with plastic wrap and refrigerate the other dough overnight.

My choice for the calzone filling is also my go-to pizza order. Gimme the pepperoni, sausage and mushroom please.

First ingredient for our calzone will be the mushrooms. We’ll sauté them a bit first to cook them down and to allow them to absorb some seasonings.

Season them up a bit. I added some salt, pepper and a quick shake of dried basil. Cook down for 5 minutes or so.

Next step is a splash of vino. As always use what you drink. In fact this bottle died a good soldier before the night was over.

Next yez t’row in yer gahlic. Minced please.

Cook them down just a bit more, maybe a minute.

That looks good.

Take note: We want to make sure our calzone ingredients aren’t cold when we build our calzone so warm up the sausages a bit. I just tossed them into the warm pan with the mushrooms to take the chill off of them.

Time to roll out the dough. For the calzone we’ll try to roll the dough out in a circle.

Well shit. More like circle-ish. Fuck it, this will work.

Next you got your sausages and mushrooms.

Then add your pepperoni. The cool thing is you decide how much you want to add.

Since we are making the calzone we will indeed be using ricotta. Use the good shit. This stuff is only available once in awhile at my grocery store so I was happy to see it on hand when I made this. It’s fantastic and not too wet. A common issue with a lot of basic ricotta cheese. 

At this point you could crack an egg and mix in with the ricotta. You could also add some salt, pepper and nutmeg to season but this shit is real good on its own.

Now just a bit of mozzarella. A couple of chunks of fresh mozzarella will do nicely.

Fold it over and crimp the edges. At this point I basted the top with some extra virgin olive oil.

Not too goddamn bad for a first effort over here. Make sure to cut a couple of slits to allow the air to vent while the calzone cooks.

Into the well pre-heated oven for a good 12-15 minutes. Until nicely browned. Serve with a side of marinara.

Let’s give a slice and take a look at the inside.

Well then. Sky’s the limit as far as choice of ingredients go. These babies were made for customization.

Next day it’s-a-stromboli time.

Roll out the remaining half ball of dough.

Now, even though the results of the dough rolling look kind of the same as the calzone I tried to roll this into more of a rectangle, thus allowing easier stromboli folding.

Then we add in the fillings. Be generous this time. What I did here is I layered a big scoop of sauce on there, it’s right underneath the pepperonis. There is also some cut up sausage chunks in there. Also, please take note of the ham. That’s a deli-bought Black Forest ham because I really like the salt level of it.

So it was pepperoni, sausage, mushroom for the calzone and this is pepperoni, sausage, ham with a good ladle of sauce for the stromboli.

We’re gonna cheese up this motherfucker today! Lots of fresh mozzarella. If you like add on some grates of fresh parmesan.

Roll it up like a big burrito. Tuck in those edges real good.

Hot damn! We’re getting the hang of this shit!

Just like the calzone we’re going to give it a couple of slits to help the stromboli vent during its cooking time in the oven.

Today we will baste with an egg wash instead of just olive oil.

To finish we’re going to grate some fresh parm over the top.

Into the preheated 450 degree oven for about 15 minutes. It may take a minute or two longer than the calzone because it’s got just a bit more heft.

Remove from the oven when browned.

Oh fucking shit dude! That looks exactly like a fucking stromboli. Look at the cheese oozing out.

Let’s see what this one looks like inside.

Touchdown!

We go to the judges.

For the calzone; it was prepared very nicely but I made the rookie mistake of putting in too few fillings.

I know! Something I personally made needed more filling? 

[hangs head]

The flavor was delicious but the dough of the crimped edge was a little too dense. The rest of the dough was flawless but it seemed to toughen up where I crimped it together.

When dipping the calzone into the marinara it tasted exactly right.

I can and will make this again with the proper balance of dough to filling.

On a scale of 1-10 I give this a 7.5.

Stromboli judging time.

Fuck right off!

That’s all you really need to know.

It. Was. Fucking. AWESOME!

Perfect amount of fillings. The way the cheese and sauce incorporated and just got all juicy/melty and mixed with the meats inside.

God DAMN!

I forgot how amazing the sausage, ham, pepperoni balance is. Then the crispy, perfectly cooked dough/wrapper with the grated parm on top.

Flawless victory!

Scale of 1-10…. 9.99999 out of ten.

Given the choice? Make the fucking stromboli folks. Trust me.

The science checks out too because my memory has told me for years that if a restaurant has both a calzone and a stromboli on the menu, order the stromboli.

This was one fun-filled delicious weekend of experimentation I put in.

Just writing this and looking at that stromboli again makes me want one RIGHT NOW!

Damn it was delicious.

That’s a recipe packed Sunday Gravy if I do say so myself.

Happy Fathers Day to you Dads out there. Enjoy the family and hopefully you get to relax today.

Let’s do this again next week OK?

Always a pleasure.

Be safe and be well everyone.

See you next time.

PEACE!

 

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yeah right is a fully vaccinated lifelong Vikings fan, food guru and LA Harbor resident with a black belt in profanity.
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WCS

Fitzy could have gone Full Phil At Winged Foot after that drive. What a recovery.

litre_cola

That has been the issue for ever. Wife doesn’t want to get high like me but uses cbd gummies. Intoxication does nae happen for her. I feel for you.

WCS

Oh, Fitzy just puked all over his shoes.
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Rikki-Tikki-Deadly

That shot out of the sand was one for the ages. Just amazingly clutch.

Rikki-Tikki-Deadly

Will Zalatoris driving a car (artist’s conception):

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scotchnaut

Don’t understand why but Zalatoris rubs me the wrong way…

Gumbygirl

Are you getting a bad vibration from him?

litre_cola

Superb work.

WCS

Well, well, Fitzy..

WCS

If Zalatoris and Fitzpatrick didn’t have to drive off the tee, they’d be ahead of everyone by 15.

BrettFavresColonoscopy

This makes my mouth water for stromboli. I almost always get the calzone but imma try it the other way next time.

WCS

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This is getting silly.

Rikki-Tikki-Deadly

But wait there’s more…
It’s not sold in any store!

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=HFHqTzeIuKE

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Rikki-Tikki-Deadly

Don’t answer yet…
Just look what else you get!

WCS

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Will Zalatoris from another timezone with that birdie putt.

WCS

….and then WCS his very next drive into the jungle.

ballsofsteelandfury

I think he’s got this thing won.

WCS

He’s going to give at least one back here. This is still up for grabs.

ballsofsteelandfury

I have wonderful timing.

litre_cola

Went to the local pub with the fam. They went and had a nap, I am stoned, drinking wine and listening to tunes. Who finished their post with 45 mins to spare? This guy.

BrettFavresColonoscopy

Noice. I’m inaugurating our new grill tonight, let’s hope me assembling it with a buddy means it’s still safe (and the food it cooks is tasty).

Rikki-Tikki-Deadly

I did a bunch of yard work, and now I’m watching golf.

scotchnaut

US Open Update-Will Zalatoris going down faster than a bunch of elevator attendants trying to form a union back in the ’40’s.

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litre_cola

We also would have accepted current Starbucks, Amazon employees.

ballsofsteelandfury

Nice new avatar!

litre_cola

I can’t change the cola part because that dates back to KSK. But you get it.

ballsofsteelandfury

I do.

ballsofsteelandfury

He’s playing really well.

scotchnaut

Taylor Made Executive: “Did we actually cancel that contract with ‘Ed Gein Incorporated’ like I asked?”

Underling: [rifling through papers] “Uh, it doesn’t seem so.”

Taylor Made Executive: “Son Of A Bitch!!!”.

WCS

TaylorMade Golf: A Division of Scotchy’s Northern Ontario Enterprises

litre_cola

I have made the mother sauce a dozen times. It is a winner.

Pair these sandwiches (h/t Maestro) with a Merlot or Chianti due to acidity.

Gumbygirl

Oooooooooh, this sounds good. I am also Team Stromboli! Gumby is currently all bark and no bite- he lost two crowns and a three tooth bridge in the last two weeks, so they aren’t going to be on the menu any time soon. Le sigh.

litre_cola

This Gumby, I call him Severodonetsk because he keeps losing bridges!

scotchnaut

Bias Confirmation Alert:

Pomeranians are still good for nothing.

Rikki-Tikki-Deadly

I have a drink recipe that I call the “Pomeranian” – it’s actually quite good. Involves vodka, pomegranate juice, and ginger.

ballsofsteelandfury

This will seem like a very weird and out of character comment from me but here goes:

Why do golf broadcasts only focus on the greens? It’s all chips and putts and sand shots. No tee shots at all unless it’s someone famous or someone royally fuck up. No fairway shots unless, again, someone royally fucks up.

I think it gives a bad impression of what the game is really about.

2Pack

Yeah all the drama in my game is BETWEEN the tee shot and the green. ACTION golf baby! Rough stuff.

ballsofsteelandfury

Exactly!!

2Pack

The greens are interesting?

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Rikki-Tikki-Deadly

I don’t really see that being the case, but even if it were, a lot has to do with how well it broadcasts. With tee shots, you basically see a guy swing and then the ball disappears. Even with all the new tools, you don’t get a very good sense of how far it’s going.

WCS

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Oh my word, that’s incredible.

scotchnaut

Not much need for “analytics” in this competition because every dog just goes for it every time.

scotchnaut

/watching the Agility Championship at the Westminster Dog Show

It’s cool seeing pups and how excited they are to please their owners. As opposed to my dog Molly-she thinks it’s a great day when she eats a frog.

Game Time Decision

Whats the frog dipped in?
-A. Reid, stomach rumbling

scotchnaut

I came home from work one day and she was chasing/playing with something as I parked.

Me: [getting out of the truck] “Hey Molly, what are you doing?”

Molly: [looks up at me, the legs of a frog sticking out of her mouth]

Me: “Oh, for fuck sakes!”

Gumbygirl

I love this. I look forward to Westminster every year, it’s on my bucket list!

scotchnaut

“Dogs in buckets? Are they being lowered into water? Count me in!”

-M. Vick, Virginia

/it’s very dark here right now…

litre_cola

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Rikki-Tikki-Deadly

Would you go see a band called “Pugbucket”? Ha ha ha, that’s a rhetorical question, of COURSE you would. Who wouldn’t?

litre_cola

I once wore a shirt with a huge Pug face on it while bartending ( I looked like an ass). Didn’t tell anyone unless asked but I donated all my tips that shift to the Humane Society for displaced animals during the flood here in 2013.

litre_cola

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litre_cola

Yes you can land a 747 on that forehead.

Gumbygirl

Has to be big to hold all that brain!

scotchnaut

I don’t care about what Horatio says about you in my DM’s-you’re good people!

BeefReeferLives

“Best Sunday Gravy Ever”
-Ben Wyatt

WCS

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ballsofsteelandfury

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ballsofsteelandfury

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ballsofsteelandfury

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ballsofsteelandfury

Happy Father’s Day to all of you that have slipped one past the goalie!

scotchnaut

I’ve received the best Father’s Day gift ever! An empty house for the majority of the day.

Rikki-Tikki-Deadly

THESE GUYS THE COLORADO AVALANCHE I CALL THEM ANTONIO CROMARTIE…

DJ TAJ

I usually get a chance to try each dish but bitch sucked down both in their entirety before I could get near them, so I did not get even a single bite, damn it man!

Horatio Cornblower

“The Stromboli, in theory, was invented in South Philadelphia and was actually made as more of a sandwich in it’s origin.

“Everything is”-The Maestro

2Pack

Calzone is what a pizza eaters eatin, when he’s nawt eatin pizza. Well done my friend, the stromboli has been added to the lunch pail rotation. Been way too long since I had one of those. Thanks for the pro tip(s).

ballsofsteelandfury

I’m glad you weighed in. There is so much “Italian” food in the US that doesn’t exist in Italy and vice versa.

I still remember cold shrimp pizza slices sold out of a stall in Rome and I’ve never seen them since.

2Pack

There are a lot of places around here now that make stromboli also. The post war generation saw a lot of Italians go to the US or Australia for work, then returning years later. Family places with that in their history are quite ready to mix it up and showcase what they know was popular abroad. “Street Food” festivals are big thing over here lately with burgers, pulled pork and other popular stateside foods along with Indian, Asian, etc…

ballsofsteelandfury

That’s awesome!

Rikki-Tikki-Deadly

>…added to the lunch pail rotation.

A sandwich for each day of the week.

Monday: the Christian McCaffrey

Rikki-Tikki-Deadly

Tuesday: the Danny Woodhead

2Pack

I try to alternate the lunch pail with restaurants. Its hard to find a bad meal around here so I frequent the ones with the nice looking waitresses. The flirtier the better.