Counterpoint

Earlier today, Fearless Leader wrote a post bemoaning the results of the election.  I get the frustration, but here’s the thing:

I am an independent voter with no party affiliation.  I was also born in Mexico, am an old fart, and am well-acquainted with third-world presidents and the damage that can be done.

We’ll be fine.

No, we are not going to start a nuclear war.  Trump can’t make money off that.  Besides, as an old fart, I grew up in the US in the 80s which was the height of the Cold War and where people lived with the very real threat of nuclear war.  And we had an actor for President.  We’re still here.

We’ll be fine.

No, the economy won’t go to shit.  Trump needs a healthy economy to make money.  Let me tell you what Mexican presidents have done throughout the ages:  They pilfer the Treasury by giving themselves and their buddies government contracts (something Putin has worked to perfection).  This only works for them if the economy doesn’t go to shit.  Granted, there have been some currency devaluations, but that has had more to do with Mexico’s previous dependence on oil as the main source of state revenue more than anything the presidents did.  For the most part, things stay status quo and the life of the everyday citizen doesn’t really change.

We’ll be fine.

Instead, we should all be focusing on the positives that have come out of this and the opportunities that we now have:

Political Party Reform

Both parties are to blame for this.  The Republicans put up a weaker-than-the-NFC South field against Trump in the primaries.  None of them showed any backbone or could capture the general public’s attention.

The Democrats fucked this up royally by anointing Hillary as the nominee without any real competition and by assuming they could just show up and win without any major effort.  Did a Democrat even step foot in North Dakota?  The smugness and superiority complex coming out of the Democratic camp was incredibly off-putting.

Fixing our Country’s Divisions

Contrary to popular belief, half of our country is not racist and homophobic and sexist.  It’s just not.  What this election points out more than anything is the vast difference in the life experience of living in urban and suburban areas and living in the country.   No one who lives in the city can relate to people living in the country.  I’ve driven cross-country.  So has theeWeeBabySeamus.  He can attest that there are a LOT of dying towns in those red states.  Platitudes from established politicians that have focused on cities and suburbs and ignored the countryside are not going to cut it.  History shows that tensions between peoples are highest in times of economic distress.  Racism, sexism, homophobia, etc. all are ways for the frustration and tension to come out.  When you don’t have it so good and the person next to you has it better than you, you are going to hate that person.  The isms just make it easier to collect that hate and give a person the illusion of control over one’s fate.   If you think I’m full of shit, go to a third-world country and find out how many different groups hate each other within that country.

We have an opportunity and a responsibility to look out for EVERYBODY.  Only by helping each other can we move forward.

As one of our commentists mentioned earlier, maybe this is the thing that pushes us to become activists and effect change instead of bitching and complaining about how things are.  Unlike the NFL, we actually do have the power to make a difference by doing something.  Not to get all sentimental, but I kinda miss this guy:

 

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Low Commander of the Super Soldiers

I am glad that I waited until after the election to sign up for my company’s insurance plans.

“Accidental death and dismemberment? Yeah, I’d say my odds just went up…”

JustStopDude
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I really wish people would actually read Trumps statements and then tell people concerned to chill. This is his prepared fucking statement.

* FIRST, propose a Constitutional Amendment to impose term limits on all members of Congress;

* SECOND, a hiring freeze on all federal employees to reduce federal workforce through attrition (exempting military, public safety, and public health);

* THIRD, a requirement that for every new federal regulation, two existing regulations must be eliminated;

* FOURTH, a 5 year-ban on White House and Congressional officials becoming lobbyists after they leave government service;

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* FIFTH, a lifetime ban on White House officials lobbying on behalf of a foreign government;

* SIXTH, a complete ban on foreign lobbyists raising money for American elections.

On the same day, I will begin taking the following 7 actions to protect American workers:

* FIRST, I will announce my intention to renegotiate NAFTA or withdraw from the deal under Article 2205

* SECOND, I will announce our withdrawal from the Trans-Pacific Partnership

* THIRD, I will direct my Secretary of the Treasury to label China a currency manipulator

* FOURTH, I will direct the Secretary of Commerce and U.S. Trade Representative to identify all foreign trading abuses that unfairly impact American workers and direct them to use every tool under American and international law to end those abuses immediately

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* FIFTH, I will lift the restrictions on the production of $50 trillion dollars’ worth of job-producing American energy reserves, including shale, oil, natural gas and clean coal.

* SIXTH, lift the Obama-Clinton roadblocks and allow vital energy infrastructure projects, like the Keystone Pipeline, to move forward

* SEVENTH, cancel billions in payments to U.N. climate change programs and use the money to fix America’s water and environmental infrastructure

Additionally, on the first day, I will take the following five actions to restore security and the constitutional rule of law:

* FIRST, cancel every unconstitutional executive action, memorandum and order issued by President Obama

* SECOND, begin the process of selecting a replacement for Justice Scalia from one of the 20 judges on my list, who will uphold and defend the Constitution of the United States

* THIRD, cancel all federal funding to Sanctuary Cities

* FOURTH, begin removing the more than 2 million criminal illegal immigrants from the country and cancel visas to foreign countries that won’t take them back

* FIFTH, suspend immigration from terror-prone regions where vetting cannot safely occur. All vetting of people coming into our country will be considered extreme vetting.

Next, I will work with Congress to introduce the following broader legislative measures and fight for their passage within the first 100 days of my Administration:

Middle Class Tax Relief And Simplification Act. An economic plan designed to grow the economy 4% per year and create at least 25 million new jobs through massive tax reduction and simplification, in combination with trade reform, regulatory relief, and lifting the restrictions on American energy. The largest tax reductions are for the middle class. A middle-class family with 2 children will get a 35% tax cut. The current number of brackets will be reduced from 7 to 3, and tax forms will likewise be greatly simplified. The business rate will be lowered from 35 to 15 percent, and the trillions of dollars of American corporate money overseas can now be brought back at a 10 percent rate.
End The Offshoring Act. Establishes tariffs to discourage companies from laying off their workers in order to relocate in other countries and ship their products back to the U.S. tax-free.
American Energy & Infrastructure Act. Leverages public-private partnerships, and private investments through tax incentives, to spur $1 trillion in infrastructure investment over 10 years. It is revenue neutral.
School Choice And Education Opportunity Act. Redirects education dollars to give parents the right to send their kid to the public, private, charter, magnet, religious or home school of their choice. Ends common core, brings education supervision to local communities. It expands vocational and technical education, and make 2 and 4-year college more affordable.
Repeal and Replace Obamacare Act. Fully repeals Obamacare and replaces it with Health Savings Accounts, the ability to purchase health insurance across state lines, and lets states manage Medicaid funds. Reforms will also include cutting the red tape at the FDA: there are over 4,000 drugs awaiting approval, and we especially want to speed the approval of life-saving medications.
Affordable Childcare and Eldercare Act. Allows Americans to deduct childcare and elder care from their taxes, incentivizes employers to provide on-side childcare services, and creates tax-free Dependent Care Savings Accounts for both young and elderly dependents, with matching contributions for low-income families.
End Illegal Immigration Act Fully-funds the construction of a wall on our southern border with the full understanding that the country Mexico will be reimbursing the United States for the full cost of such wall; establishes a 2-year mandatory minimum federal prison sentence for illegally re-entering the U.S. after a previous deportation, and a 5-year mandatory minimum for illegally re-entering for those with felony convictions, multiple misdemeanor convictions or two or more prior deportations; also reforms visa rules to enhance penalties for overstaying and to ensure open jobs are offered to American workers first.
Restoring Community Safety Act. Reduces surging crime, drugs and violence by creating a Task Force On Violent Crime and increasing funding for programs that train and assist local police; increases resources for federal law enforcement agencies and federal prosecutors to dismantle criminal gangs and put violent offenders behind bars.
Restoring National Security Act. Rebuilds our military by eliminating the defense sequester and expanding military investment; provides Veterans with the ability to receive public VA treatment or attend the private doctor of their choice; protects our vital infrastructure from cyber-attack; establishes new screening procedures for immigration to ensure those who are admitted to our country support our people and our values
Clean up Corruption in Washington Act. Enacts new ethics reforms to Drain the Swamp and reduce the corrupting influence of special interests on our politics.
On November 8th, Americans will be voting for this 100-day plan to restore prosperity to our economy, security to our communities, and honesty to our government.

This is my pledge to you.

And if we follow these steps, we will once more have a government of, by and for the people.

Yeah…this shouldn’t have any unintended consequences at ALL….

Doktor Zymm

I have read that…and I’ve read the response of leading Republicans in Congress where they nix the sensible parts and say they’re gung ho for the worst parts.

JustStopDude
JustStopDude

The truly pathetic thing is the folks that are going to be fucked the worse by Trump are the ones that elected him.

I just love it how white people are so pissed that a black man has been in charge of a growing economy they they elected a twitter parody account because…soemthing…I mean besides blatant racism.

Thank god I work internationally. Anyone working the states, they try this shit, you folks are fucked.

Doktor Zymm

Probably the biggest immediate threat is the repeal of Obamacare. The Senate majority leader has already nixed the few sensible ideas (term limits, increased investment in infrastructure) that Trump put forward for his first 100 days. Estimates put the number of people who would lose coverage with an Obamacare repeal at around 12 million. That’s not good for those 12 million people, and it’s not good for the economy.
Income inequality was at its greatest in the early industrial era, pre-income tax. Stuff was pretty shit for workers, there was a minimal middle class, and pretty great for oligarchs. The economy was strong, but unstable. Post WW2 we had the least income inequality, due in large part to the GI Bill making higher education more accessible. Again, strong economy, and while not perfectly stable, there’s a reason we had a great recession rather than a great depression. Which America do you think Trump prefers? His stated economic policies tend towards the first. I don’t seriously believe he’ll be able to push his crazy 35% tariff policy through Congress, but that sort of thing is a very 1920’s, post Great War protectionism/isolationism type policy. We all know how well that worked out.

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Gratliff

I don’t know what an actual Trump presidency is going to look like. What he says and what he does has always been two different things, and he’s changed his stances so many times, it’s hard to pin down what he actually thinks.

I do know what him winning that election after running that kind of election means, especially with the splits coming out the way they did. Some of it is unavoidable. The bigots will always be there. The passive, subconscious biases will always be there. Trump won 49% of college educated whites. The portion of the majority in this country who should be well-read and worldly enough to care that the person they’re voting for was spouting blatantly racist, xenophobic, sexist, and anti-Semitic remarks, simply didn’t. Their pet peeve or value or platform was more important to them than being decent people. They decided getting what they want was worth accepting all the negative things white, mainstream Americans swear up and down don’t exist anymore.

Whether Trump ends up being a good or bad president, the fact remains that an uncomfortably, unacceptably large portion of this country is composed of shit. Even as cynical as I am, I never expected to be disappointed to this degree.

Moose -The End Is Well Nigh
Moose -The End Is Well Nigh

I’d be elated if he was neutral do nothing. I am certain he would never be good as far as what is good or positive to the US or the world. I too am surprised by a lot of the demographics, especially in a robust economy that has steadily improved since the burst in aught-nine, the old days.

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Lothar of the Hill People
Lothar of the Hill People

Here’s my ray of sunshine, my silver lining.

I think maybe–just maybe Trump is starting to realize he won (maybe he wasn’t really, truly banking on winning, which could explain all his stupid self-sabotage), and is somewhat floored by the enormity of the job and how utterly unprepared he is for it.

Obama, for example, is a very smart attorney, and spent the year running up to inauguration getting schooled on how to be President. Getting briefings, assembling a staff of experts, learning how the office works, etc. All indications are that Trump has done none of that. Who will be his staff, his cabinet? He has an all-star line-up of nutjob exiles from the GOP–and the “stars” of the GOP were those stellar names who ran GWB’s administration into the mud.

So maybe–just maybe Trump is realizing that he’s in over his head. In over his 4-foot long absurd comb-over. Now, Trump being Trump, he can’t admit weakness, and he can’t focus his attention long enough to actually do the job. But at least he’s learned a little respect for the office, and realizes that his fantasy of being President Trump and letting someone else do all the hard work… well, that will be the reality. And someone else will make the decisions and keep the country from sliding into the abyss simply because another immigrant taunted Trump, or a marginally-attractive woman rejected his advances.

Seriously, that’s the only way I see a Trump Presidency as something other than a global catastrophe.

My gut is that he’ll have a health crisis (real or manufactured) before his first year in office is over. He can bow out and leave a winner, and profit from his time in the White House. Come to think of it, it’d have to be a real health crisis, because there’s no way he’d admit weakness unless his life was actually in danger. But if he stays healthy, he’ll be impeached. He’s got so many skeletons in his tax returns alone; someone will judge it worth the jail time to leak his full return. Or something in the Trump U case will come out, or another woman with definitive proof of an assault… something will come out. And the GOP will be happy to be rid of him and replace him with mayonnaise Mike Pence.

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Doktor Zymm

But…his doctor said he is HEALTHIER THAN EVERY PRESIDENT EVAR!!!1

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and never forget….

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Lothar of the Hill People
Lothar of the Hill People

And I take exception to your assertion that half our country isn’t racist/sexist/homophobic.

Yes, I’ve traveled and lived in many countries, and I get your point about ethnic divisions being terribly ingrained. But we just had an election where 57 million people supported a guy who was endorsed by white supremacists, a guy who vilified hispanics/Mexicans, a guy who labeled an entire religion as suspect, a guy who gave rise to the birther movement. There’s a reason why the alt-right was Trump’s biggest and most vocal support network. I’m not saying all 57 million are racists, but surveys showed 66-80% of Trump supporters believe Obama’s a secret Muslim, born in Kenya, etc. That’s not just silliness; that’s racism, that a black man cannot be a legitimate President because it’s easier to believe there was a conspiracy from the time of his birth. Trump’s evangelical support was higher than Romney’s. Why? Obama repealing DADT and then the Obergefell decision activated the latent homophobia in that group of Trump supporters. And sexism? I’m at a loss to explain why Hillary Clinton got a lower share of the Hispanic vote than Obama did against Romney, when Trump did just about everything humanly possible to alienate Hispanics and motivate them to vote against him. One explanation (not sure I buy it, but it’s possible) is latent sexism among Hispanics.

So yeah, it’s not half the country that’s racist. But 66-80% of 57 million is still 37-45 million, or about 12-15% of the population. That seems about right.

Who was Trump “taking America back” from?
And “making America great again” meant returning to the 1950s, when women were in the kitchen and negros weren’t so damned uppity.

Moose -The End Is Well Nigh
Moose -The End Is Well Nigh

Yuuuup.

Moose -The End Is Well Nigh
Moose -The End Is Well Nigh

Having done a little more research it appears that the ball kicking demographic went strong Clinton, with a minor bleed-off to the Green Party.

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Moose -The End Is Well Nigh
Moose -The End Is Well Nigh

He also encourages it, baits it, enables it and gives tacit approval. We seemed to be making some minor but painful strides in exposing both blatant and “casual” racism I see this being completely mitigated.

Don T

Beware the fallacy of a homogeneous Hispanic voting block. The salient reason is the number of Hispanic countries–from Mexico to Tierra del Fuego with the Greater Antilles in berween. Only non-Hispanics would lump together, say, Bolivians with Dominicans. Actual particulars here:
http://dailysignal.com/2016/11/09/election-results-show-there-is-no-one-hispanic-vote/
I also disagree with Hispanics having a more sexist bent too, but it’s only an opinion. Though maybe a crazy uncle would vote for a pussy grabber. If drunk.

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Good points; I would really expect a majority of Cuban immigrants of a couple of generations to be majority ‘publicans too. When either campaign addreesed those issues, but especially Trump; “dey’s all messikans” seemed to be the attitude.

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But by the same token, viewing certain portions of the population as irredeemable is how Democrats lost this election. People can sneer all they like at the “basket of deplorables” ilk. but that statement alone is painting a very broad brush on a sizable voting bloc of people.

Honestly, keeping this kind attitude does the Democratic party no favors: They need to make their dissenters at the very least sympathetic to their views, and realize that people aren’t fucking automatons in a mold and do, and very often, soften (if not change) change their views.

DNC strategists need to look in the mirror long and fucking hard at how this all went awry. They put people in a bubble but refused to leave theirs.

Lothar of the Hill People
Lothar of the Hill People

I gotta disagree with a lot of points here, Senor Balls.

First and foremost, Trump’s agenda isn’t all that different from the GOP mainline (and Tea Party) wish list. Repeal Obamacare. Roll back environmental protections. Repeal Dodd-Frank. Roll back regulations. Protect monopolies in telecommunications/cable providers. Trash net neutrality. Cut taxes left, right and center. Tear up the Iran nuclear agreement.

All these, and more, are high-priority items for the GOP and Trump. If these happen, life gets worse. Some things can be fixed when 2020 rolls around and America wakes up from this nightmare. But killing clean energy incentives because global warming is a hoax, pushing coal (when GODDAMMIT coal is dying because natural gas got so cheap, you inbred motherfucking cheetoh), fracking, and god knows what else… these are things that will fuck our economy and the world’s environment for much longer. Especially when the Chinese are cranking out cheap solar panels and our ability to compete in that industry will rapidly disappear.

And your argument about Trump not doing stupid shit because it won’t make him money neglects the fact that Trump is a stunningly crappy businessman. It took multiple loans from his dad to get him started and keep him afloat. Plowing his money into an index fund would result in a much bigger net worth than what he has. He’s bankrupted multiple businesses that were vanity projects. His idea of “negotiating” is to use other people’s money and walk away giving them pennies on the dollar–an idea he floated to pay of the national debt. Like a cat, he usually lands on his feet, no matter how crappy the situation, so he doesn’t see things through a lens of “can I make money?” he sees things through a lens of “I’ll come out ahead no matter how shitty things get.”

Finally, the economy. Now, his plans are all over the map, but the basic insanity of his plans is to cut government spending by a ridiculous amount–but not the entitlements–and to cut revenues by a much more ridiculous amount, while starting trade wars left, right, and center. Now, the GOP Congress won’t go for the trade war bullshit, but they’ll love his spending and taxation cuts, which will drive up the deficit and tank the economy pretty quickly. The economy going into recession will kill oil prices (again), kill revenues, and force more government cutbacks–particularly local government infrastructure projects. And thus the 2007 cycle starts all over again. Except we can’t do nearly as much to stimulate the economy again, because interest rates are still in the cellar, and a GOP Congress won’t want to pass a stimulus bill.

Oh, and one last thing. NO candidates visit North Dakota. That has nothing to do with the strength/weakness of individual candidates, and everything to do with the fucking Electoral College. First and foremost, that abomination must be killed off. It doesn’t require a Constitutional amendment, either.

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Moose -The End Is Well Nigh

This.

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theeWeeBabySeamus

How dare you, sir? How dare you try to be the voice of reason and tell me, as a ‘Murrican, I don’t have the right to freak the fuck out about any goddamned thing I want for any reason at any time. I don’t think I know you anymore.
You disgust me.
😉

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Moose -The End Is Well Nigh

And look Mexico is FINE now! Both the US and Mexico could be so much more.

While I appreciate the silver lining optimism, this guy is for/ against almost everything I’m against/ for. The items that he will change with the help of a “maverick” congress that will roll over like little bitches for these types of policy changes:
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/10/us/politics/donald-trump-taxes-climate-immigration-health-care.html
[thanks Cuntler]
that will continue to turn this country to a 2.5 world place. While I agree he would not go nukeualar (sic) people in this country make a shitload of money off of both being on a constant war footing and war itself. The whole thing may not affect me personally but having some empathy and a sense of justice for all; I am and will be deeply troubled by this. I’m an older fart than you; and approaching the down side of life makes me desire a better place and some progress to roll back the damage that we have already done. This makes all those things worse and will have effects a long time down the road, some may be permanent. I can’t just look at the rosy side and think it will be OK in my cocoon, I just can’t.

Explaining away racism, sexism, homophobia, etc. like that is ignoring that when a certain type of person is struggling or perceives to themselves struggle; they want scapegoats, people who are different to blame. They are unwilling to examine their own part in it and in extreme cases will…. well Germany 1933 to 1945. Not saying that will happen, but it IS a big part of human nature.

Plus I’m just completely embarrassed that the largest, most powerful nation elected a racist low-level grafter to the single most powerful position in this “democracy.”

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blaxabbath

Pardon me if I’m stepping on internet dad but the announcement is as follows:

Quotables is going up Friday morning after HRTN. After that post, political posts for the sake of political conversation are over and if you want to rip on Clinton/Trump/Rubio/Jeb!/Kaine/Obama — do it under conventional [DFO] humorous format.

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BrettFavresColonoscopy

Counter counterpoint:

Beerguyrob

ipso facto:

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Kungjitsu
Kungjitsu

We’re not going to have political party reform because almost everyone was reelected. Marco Rubio got reelected to the Senate after the abortion that was his Presidential campaign AND saying he wasn’t going to run AND showing up on the ballot at the last minute.

The GOP learned that dog whistles aren’t necessary.

Darkest Timeline Zack Morris

I get this. I do. But this candidate brought the KKK back out of hiding. I’ve been voting since Bubba’s 2nd term, and this isn’t the first time I’ve despaired. GW Bush’s 2nd term did that. This is the first time I’ve genuinely been worried about someone’s ability to perform the basics of governance and not literally destroy our infrastructure.

laserguru

One thing I’ve noticed is that the younger the voter, or the most recent to the American electoral system, the bigger the panic. My first election I voted for Jimmy Fucking Carter. He lost and I was terrified. Actually with good reason. Those who put on the rose colored glasses regarding the Reagan era need to do some research and dig up some history.

He did scare the shit out of them ferriners though! Boy howdy!

I just know that we survived 8 years of Ronnie Ray-Guns and “W” so I agree with your well reasoned out thought.

Can’t help but be scared shitless today however. It’s half of the process.

nomonkeyfun

I first voted in 96 for Nader. I remember Reagan’s second term as well as someone my age can.

I have very personal reasons for despising the man; my Uncle whom I loved more than any other adul

nomonkeyfun

Continued

adult I’ve ever known died of AIDS in 94.

Reagan at least was a two term Governor of the largest state I’m the Union and had spent many years seriously thinking about the issues.
Trump is a cocky ignoramus.

I don’t despair for my country, but we never need to build the bench of potential candidates.
Warren is 71. Bernie Sanders is 75. Hillbob is 70. Michelle Obama isn’t going to run.

34 of the Governor’s are Repubs. This will not be easy, nut we can do it.
As a veeeeeeery early opinion, Duckworth 2020

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Horatio Cornblower

All I know is that in 3 billion years or so the Sun is going to expand and swallow the Earth and all of this is going to seem like pretty small potatoes.

Spanky Datass
Spanky Datass

This comment deserves a check for $1 … plus interest.

Horatio Cornblower

Please make it payable to “cash” and slip it through the locker vents.

Spanky Datass
Spanky Datass

/writes “payable to cash – $1 … plus interest” on a pack of lady finger fire crackers
//lights fireworks
///shoves through locker vent
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In three billion years I will be out of beer anyway.

Gratliff