Welcome, one and all, to Day 3 of Hate Week, where I go off on the changing nature of the fan experience, and its consequences for the greater society.
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Where it was
If memory serves

The Seahawks games I remember as a kid were magical AFC West donnybrooks.
- The Stabler & Plunkett Raiders.
- The Air Coryell Chargers
- The Craig Morton / early Elway Broncos
- The Chiefs sucked

The Seahawks of my youth had Steve Largent, Dave Krieg, OG Curt Warner, and Kenny Easley (among others). As a Canadian kid in the era of rooftop antennas, games were available only if the weather conditions were right. CBS had the NFC, NBC had the AFC, and ABC had Howard & the boys for Monday Night Football.
I was 8 when the Seahawks came into the league, and 12 when I saw my first game live, in this magical mausoleum down along the waterfront.

Built where there’d once been a thriving prostitution community, the Kingdome served as the home for both the Mariners & Seahawks for about 20 years. It did the job of winning the city the franchises, but my-God was it an awful place to watch a game. Don’t get me wrong, it was a hell of a home-field advantage. That place could get LOUD. But in terms of the game-attending experience it was the worst. Low-sloped sightlines, so there was always a head in the way – especially for a young child. Shit-assed concessions that only really consisted of popcorn, hotdogs, RC Cola, and Olympia draft beer meant you’d best eat before going in. (Hat tip to ye olde FX McRory’s.) The bathrooms were a trough & stall experience that more suited a paddock or kennel than a human-used facility.

Then came the modernization craze. It all started in 1992 with Camden Yards in Baltimore, which marked the death-knell for the multi-purpose community-owned stadiums a lot of teams played in. Even though Memorial Stadium hadn’t had a football game played there since 1984, the stadium hadn’t been improved for the remaining tenant, which impacted the fan experience. It was also what people referred to as a “suburban doughnut” – a big round bowl outside the downtown core where convenience rather than esthetics dictated the fan experience. This one act – building a single-purpose/tenant facility – spurred the divorce between football and baseball, and led to the modern edifices we see today. The promise of such a football facility is what led Art Modell to leave Cleveland for Baltimore in 1996, getting M&T Bank Stadium completed by 1998.

In Seattle, this led to the demise of the Kingdome and the creation of two (admittedly gorgeous) facilities in Safeco/T-Mobile Field and CenturyLink (C-Link)/Lumen (same company) Field.

I’ve spent far more time at Lumen, but I can say both places have great game atmosphere. And at least the neighborhood remained after the rebuilds. Seattle doesn’t have much of a tailgating culture, so it was supplemented by a vibrant pre-game bar culture.
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Where it is
The big thing now is that all the owners want the same stadium:
- Covered
- PSLs
- Single tenant
- Government paid
Last year, I went to SoFi for a Rams game. As a destination, the place is fucking fantastic.

As a “fan experience”, it’s terrible. The massive parking lot is great for tailgating, but there are no bars or restaurants nearby. They are finally getting a hotel & entertainment district, courtesy of their hospitality and entertainment partner The Marriott Corporation, who will have exclusive rights to provide such services at the SoFi site. I’m sure they’ll have affordability front of mind when building out their complex. Beyond that, there’s a Target complex “across the lot” and a Costco “three blocks” away, but each of those blocks is a quarter-mile, which is finally too great a distance for a $1.50 to mean something.
[By the way, the hot dog is also $1.50 in Canada. At today’s exchange rate that’s $1.10 in USD. That’s like a free Canadian hot dog every fourth visit. It’s like they’re paying me to eat.]
My guess is that there’s about 30,000 fans who have their tickets to actually go to the games. The rest are amateur ticket scalpers whom Ticketmaster and the PSL fee has emboldened.

Look at this bullshit – $200,000 for the right to a seat rental?! Even in the nosebleeds it’s between $1-5 K before you even pay for the seats. Sure, it’s a one-time fee, but each time someone drops out they can charge it again. When I went to a game last year – Rams vs. Packers – I paid $250 each for a seat in the 530s. Dude clearly got his money’s worth out of me. That’s why a Rams “home game” has quotes around it. Because unless it’s an actual dogshit team that no one would travel for, half the fans in attendance are supporting the opponent.
Don’t believe me? Look at their 2026 “Home” opponent list:

This is a fucking Dream Team of visiting teams for the scalper community. They’ll be able to charge maximum rates to every sucker willing to fly Southwest into LAX for the day. My guess is that Melbourne game will be the Chargers, because it means rent-boy Dean Spanos has to go on the road to save the Rams a few bucks, but will still have to pay for all eight of his home dates.

The one thing I will give Enos credit for is the fact that he built & paid for the whole thing himself. One look at this chart

will show you that he put his wife’s Walmart money to good use. The big shiny building is just to get the fans in the door; much like with concerts, the revenue is in the ticket price and the merch.
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Where is this all going?
Well, the future of the “fan experience” is the ability to watch the event without being impacted by the weather. The movement is well underway:
Today, 11 teams play in 10 stadiums that are covered. But six outdoor teams have announced fully financed plans to shift into the enclosed column: Tennessee (2027), Jacksonville (2028), Cleveland (2029), Washington (2030) and Denver and K.C. (2031). By 2031, covered stadiums [in the NFL] will outnumber open-air stadiums.
By 2032, for example, if projections are accurate, the AFC West will be all indoors – and it’s all a business decision, not a fan-driven decision. The article quoted above describes in great detail the advantages to domes for NFL teams outside of their own events. Greater access to additional opportunities await; never mind the opportunity to finally host a Super Bowl in Denver or Kansas City-ish, the draw of Finals Four, concert residencies, and other large-draw events will always be the driver of such decision-making, not the vaunted “fan experience”.
The only real question is, who will pay for it? According to all the studies, the taxpayer. Stadium funding is predicated on two things: the ability of the owner to pay for it themselves, or the willingness of local government to fund their biggest donors in craven attempts to maintain civic popularity. And even if the stadium is privately financed, there are usually civic concessions which make that outlay far cheaper than it should have been.
Stan Kroenke, for all his awfulness, turned his awful riches into an awesome stadium by getting a sweetheart deal to purchase the Hollywood Park site that was originally going to be the Raiders home in the late1990s before the league quashed it, ‘forcing’ Davis to ‘permanently’ move back to Oakland. The site was eventually sold to make way for a Walmart supercenter & distribution hub, but that changed after Enos bought the Rams & had a dinner conversation with his wife about a new playhouse. A few sweetheart concessions from the Inglewood City Council to sidestep environmental reviews of noise, traffic and air pollution was all it took for one of LA’s largest real estate transactions in decades to pass within a few months and with minimal public input.
The publicly financed stadium is the far worse way to go, but seems to be the one the average fan yearns for. It must be because they will never be that rich to care, so all they want is their local sports team to give them some comfort. Since they already finished public school, they’re not that concerned with what happens to the next generation as long as they get to celebrate a championship.

In Las Vegas, for example, the two stadiums will end up receiving, after construction completes on the Athletics stadium, more than $1.1 billion in public funding, not counting future tax breaks. According to the same Atlantic article, taxpayers have spent nearly $30 billion on stadiums over the past 34 years, not counting property-tax exemptions or federal revenues lost to tax-exempt municipal bonds. Yet the governments get no benefit from the rise in valuation of those teams. In effect, as evidenced by America’s current kleptocracy, the state is making certain citizens rich as the expense of the population whose services are affected by that revenue diversion.

According to a study by the Independent Institute, Tennessee has by-far the (currently) worst public revenue costs of any NFL stadium construction:
The Tennessee Titans are in the midst of construction on a new stadium and taxpayers are on the hook for an astounding $2.3 billion. Due to the long-term repayment structure of the bonds—spanning at least 20 years—taxpayers will face approximately $1.1 billion in interest costs as part of the nearly $2.3 billion total public expenditure. Much like the Bengals, the Titans’ franchise value has seen rapid growth, $6.3 billion this year, up from $4.9 billion in 2024. Amy Adams Strunk, owner of the franchise, has an estimated net worth of $2 billion.
But it could soon be passed by the Chiefs deal with the state of Kansas, which has such a hard-on to steal the Chiefs from Missouri that they may have brokered a deal that’s considered the worst public-financing arrangement since the Montreal Olympics.

This, if nothing else, should Romanov the entire ownership class of the NFL.
Tonight’s sports:
- NHL: penultimate night before the Olympic break
- Habs at Jets – 7:00pm | Sportsnet
- Bruins at Panthers – 7:00pm | TNT
- Oilers at Flames – 10:00pm | Sportsnet
- Leafs at Lightning – 10:30pm | TNT / TSN regional
- NBA:
- Nuggets at Knicks – 7:00pm | ESPN / Sportsnet1
- T-wolves at Raptors – 7:30pm | TSN
- Vichy Sonics at Spurs – 9:30pm | ESPN / Sportsnet1
- NCAA:
- Men’s:
- Notre Dame at Louisville – 7:00pm | ESPN2
- Oklahoma at Kentucky – 9:00pm | ESPN2
- Men’s:
Go forth and Komment, for the Hate concludes tomorrow.
Comedy can only be spontaneous.
120 Minute Playlist Project Update: Shoegaze, baby. Yeah.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gIsnb1TKYjE
In my college days, which now exist in the mists of time, I went to Fenway Park with my friend Don. We sat in the right field bleachers and decided it would be a good idea to play ‘beer an inning’
It was not at all a good idea. I think we managed to pull it off, and I know we didn’t throw up, but I have absolutely no idea how we got back to UConn. We couldn’t possibly have operated a car, and I don’t remember anyone else with us.
But while it wasn’t a good idea, the point is that two college kids could afford nine (shitty) beers at Fenway Park back in 1988 or ’89. You can’t play ‘beer an inning’ any more, because in the first place those sissys cut off beer sales in the 7th, and in the second place because you’d have to take a second mortgage out just to get into the 6th.
I do remember at least one inning, probably late, where we had to chug because some asshole, probably Jim Rice, hit into a double play.
It was probably Marty Barrett. Weak ground ball for the 4-6-3 double play.
/Marty was actually my favorite player as a kid, but he was not a power guy.
Woo hoo – the roast I resuscitated from the freezer for sandwiches turned out pretty good. Soaked it in grain mustard & water to bring it back and slow roasted it for three hours. Gonna eat good tomorrow.
The soccer stadium in Portland has pee troughs.
Anything is a pee trough if you pee hard enough.
That would certainly explain why they remodeled the entrance where the Seattle fans who bus down enter the stadium.
Have also been to the Oakland Coliseum for a Steelers-Raiders game. THAT was fun!
Were there any fightsHow many fights were there?SO MUCH WEED!!
As Ray Lewis said, “I didn’t see nothing!”
Ooh, I bet. I’d been to a couple there after the re-relocation. Those Black Hole clowns are that intense because that’s all they have in life.
I saw the O’s play the A’s in Oakland Coliseum in a night game in July. I wore a parka, a knit cap, and gloves.
Hey RTD, you should show this to the Good Dr. Mrs. Deadly.
(or, on second thought, maybe you shouldn’t. hmm.)
“One of the most unlikely team captains in Vikings history, fullback C.J. Ham, officially announced his retirement after 10 seasons.
“But back at home, Ham’s wife, Stephanie, has enjoyed her husband’s calendar getting cleared. “Our house has never been cleaner,” Stephanie Ham wrote Feb. 3 in a social media video of C.J. Ham vacuuming. “Can’t have him back. Sorry guys. Need him.”
https://www.startribune.com/vikings-fullback-cj-ham-retires-10-nfl-seasons-anthony-barr-dalvin-cook/601576672
Sort of adorable tbh
Tomorrow is the opening ceremony. Let’s see what you got Milano.
Watching curling right now. Canada kicked Czechia’s ass!
The team reviews of the dorms has been good so far. They really like beds with mattresses, as opposed to the cardboard ones the French gave teams at Paris last time. Italians and French are always looking for things to dig each other on so early score is Italy up one nil.
Once the games are done they plan on using the dorm roms for low cost university student housing. Pretty smart recovery on the investment long term.
From Olympic athletes to college students? They will never, ever, ever get the sex smell out.
I don’t know how the hell Spam lives in The OC and has never attended a sporting event in San Diego.
I’ve been to multiple football games at Jack Murphy plus the races at Del Mar.
Del Mar is truly a special place. You really should go, Spammy!
I should clarify…I have been to Del Mar (which is amazing), but I was thinking more like team sports. A little late to visit The Murph. But a DFO run to Del Mar (on the train) might be a hoot and/or trouble.
Probably too late to see the San Diego Clippers too.
What is it about Low Commander that makes everyone bail?
Okay, that’s good. The Del Mar train is a FUN time!
I took that train down for a Raiders game at Qualcomm one time and it truly was a blast.
An hour round trip drive in freezing temps to watch my son’s indoor soccer team get smoked 14-0. Said son was in the goal and let up 7, so obviously he was berated, stripped of his uniform and made to walk home.
There is this obese, leather-lunged mom on the team who needs to be drawn and quartered, but I don’t think normal horses would work.
Maybe those oliphants from the Lord of the Rings might be able to take care of her.
Those Budweiser horses from the commercials back in the day seemed sturdy.
A Decilitre’s sporting events I put in ear buds, wear Adidas and put out angry eastern European dad vibes
Clydesdales are the second largest breed of horse, Shire horses are first. They could handle it, no problemo
Oh man, if you think you’re mad now, just wait until you hear what Benedict whispers to Sophie in the midseason finale of Bridgerton.
That scoundrel!
I too was outraged! Fie and shame!
Who among us has not uttered some words they believed to be deeply romantic only to be rebuffed with a sharp-tongued “what did you say?”
We are all Benedict Bridgerton.
Sadly, he will likely face little comeuppance and stumble into a happy ending he currently does nawt deserve.
Forget it, Shogun. It’s Shondaland.
The Beerguy/SoFi photo is great. Perfection!
It’s a sports fan’s vacation photo.
The Wrigley renovations were both done well and privately funded, which is something of a miracle, especially in Chicago. Maybe bribes and kickbacks work differently when there’s an historic structure involved?
Maybe, but it cost us the chance of having Taco Bell after the game. That makes it a total failure.
No getting in a fight at McDonalds either
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/an-obituary-for-the-wrigleyville-mcdonalds_b_9540088
Also much respect to the Bills for building an uncovered new stadium. They’re fully aware Buffalo will never host a SB and they’re leaning in to that. The only concession they’re making for weather is rotating a bit to decrease crosswinds (wide middle they hope!)
I have been to the Kingdome! Also to Oakland Stadium, Metrodome, whatever they called San Diego, but the worst of all was old Taylor Field in Regina, Saskatchewan. That was a shithole, they have a brand spanking new stadium that is very impressive.
Qualcomm stadium in San Diego, saw the Vikings play the Chargers in 2003. Stadium was run down but the stadium was packed.
Also fuck Dean Spanos.
Only about 80 miles away, but I’ve never been to a sporting even in San Diego. Gotta hit Petco Park someday. Make it a twofer with a Del Mar visit.
Petco is great, just avoid sections 324, 326, and 328. Those are the tickets they give to “support local little league” which is great as long you don’t have any left fielders of 3rd basement. Cuz you can’t see them on the field from there.
Qualcomm was ok for football but super sun exposed during fall late games. Only ever went to three games and always left early (only once by force, though).
*or thirdbase players. No basements involved
Went to an A’s game at the Coliseum, late ’90s. Twas a dump.
The old Blue Bombers stadium was pretty rough. Who could have known a North-South stadium in Winnipeg would be a wind tunnel?
You’ve also been to the Rose Bowl!
Still bummed that Lumen got the naming rights.
It was fun to refer to the stadium as “The Clink” with a hard c.
Although, perhaps that’s why Century Link didn’t re-up.
It’s actually a subsidiary of Lumen. Corporate synergy!
A long time and many jobs ago, I worked on the legal language that led to the state funding for the 4 new(er) stadiums in PA getting built — to replace Three Rivers in Pittsburgh and the Vet in Philly. Even then, folks knew the taxpayers were in for a good shafting. Later I helped the State of Michigan pay for part of Ford Field and part of Comerica Park and even later create an public authority to take Cobo away from the nearly bankrupt City of Detroit (they would file mere months later) in order to fund renovations to keep the Red Wings there. Squeezing public funds from a stone, but squeeze they did. I’ve now spent the last 15 years in the Bay Area congratulating Oakland for telling the failsons in charge of the Raiders and then the A’s to get fucked (mostly the A’s). I also watched the rich techies take the Warriors back to SF to hang out in the sadly silent Chase Center. So the lesson is that if you don’t cater to the plutocrats, you will lose your team. Simple as that. Worse, given the garbage they put up after spending the money for the fan experience (which I take to mean feeling ownership’s hand rummaging around in your pockets for all the rest of your money), I am tending to think Oakland got it right.
TL;dr. Late stage capitalism is now busy enshittifying sports stadia just like everything else.
That’s a much better, less bloody conclusion than I drew. 👏👏
I am thinking using Romanov as a verb is probably the correct and innovative answer for most (all?) of the pro sports team owners. But I’d also be OK if it were used on the El Jefe Naranja and his administration of babyshitbrown shirts in the classic sense.
So all of this is YOUR fault. Thanks.
The Bears and their quest for a new stadium is surely going to end poorly. The new Commies stadium that’ll actually be in DC however, can only be a step up from the shithole in Landover.
They’ll end up building it in Gary, Indiana and the Walter Payton statue will look suspiciously like Tito Jackson.
It’s ok, no one in Indiana recognizes the existence of Gary.
It’s Whiting-adjacent!
/in the geographical sense
//not so adjacent the racial demographics sense
Olympia beer! It’s the water!
Back in the day, it was a fantastic brewery tour.
Pee troughs. Ah, the memories. The very first NHL game I attended was at the original Maple Leaf Gardens. I was six years-old. The number of people attending the game was larger than the population of my town. I was overwhelmed. My dad held my hand for the first time, because he didn’t want to lose me in the crush of the crowd. At the 1st intermission I said I had to go to the bathroom and this where we ended up. The stench was incredible and I couldn’t believe how big men’s penises were.
Or how much candy they gave you to suOr how fun it was to try to hit a homer (i.e. pee in four troughs before you run out, really only possible when the restroom is empty).
Upon reflection, we called it “pissing for the cycle”
I can imagine all the cringey old men circled round the troughs, money in hand, saying-“Hey kid, piss in the 4th trough and I’ll buy you a bicycle!”
Young Spam: “What do I need with a 4th bicycle, Uncle Peter? I want six pairs of jean shorts or I don’t dance in front of the mirror at your trailer on Friday night!”
Uncle Pete: “I already sold the tickets!”
Young Spam: “Not my problem.”
Narrator: “And that’s the story of how SonofSpam scratched and crawled his way out of a trailer park in Santa Barbara into a tent city in Sacramento.”
I maintain that pee troughs build character and should come back. It takes balls to whip your dick out next to your neighbor and pee your bladder out.
Also, the best ones were stocked with ice. You played a game to melt as much ice as you could.
I went to a game at Michigan stadium in the early 00’s before the rehab and assuming about 70K of the 100K plus crowd were male, the ice buckets were at the ready to refill the troughs. Didn’t stop me from noticing the guy next me had eaten some asparagus the night before!
This urinal discussion is going to draw a different audience altogether. Unser algorithmus ist seltsam!
In boot camp in Great Lakes IL (which is the only real “boot camp”) the old drill halls of my day had porcelain/iron 1920s era troughs that could fit 40 recruits at a time at a single trough. My company of 77 recruits could march into the head in 2 ranks; the first rank would step forward and get the job done, then right-face and march out, then the second rank would step forward likewise. Also, in the barracks there were no walls between urinals and shitters. Everybody poops, get used to it.
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Schiesse!
You haven’t lived until you’ve pooped in one of these:
Pee on the left, poop on the right
“Let’s go, Buddy, you’ve been in here all night.”