Duchess Destroys the St. Louis Rams

You know this sucks the Rams have chosen to move back to Los Angeles. This is going to be such a hit to the city of St. Louis.

Actually St. Louis is better off not having the Rams than giving them another stadium

That has to be pure bullshit how can not having an NFL team be better for a city? I mean think about all the money that will be lost.

Not true. The new stadium deal St. Louis put together had very faulty revenue assumptions. First they assumed ticket prices could be increased as much as 75% in year one. Then every year afterward ticket prices would be increased at a 3% level through 2050. This is despite the fact that ticket prices have only increased $9, or 7%, since 2006. (http://www.statista.com/). The stadium folks also assumed that the stadium would sell around 63,000 seats a game while the current stadium has averaged less than 53,000 of its total 66,000 seats a game. To think he city would find 10,000 more people willing to spend 75% more on tickets per game is frankly insulting. The estimated shortfall in operational costs would exceed $215 Million more than what was initially projected.

I saw that, but the mayor responded saying that number was bullshit and that even if there was a shortfall that money wouldn’t be coming from public money.

He can’t guarantee that. Besides the Mayor’s office said they were “looking at other tools (they) can use that would not raise taxes, but would come from the people who go to the games.” So they would end up pushing an increase in parking fees and ticket charges increasing the burden of going to the game. Or they may just go ahead and use public money anyways without letting the local people vote for it.

What about all the jobs lost? I have heard that’s not great for a local economy.

Not true, in fact, studies have shown that stadiums do more damage to cities than they do to help them. Stanford economist Roger Noll stated “NFL stadiums do not generate significant local economic growth, and the incremental tax revenue is not sufficient to cover any significant financial contribution by the city.” Most jobs created are construction jobs for the initial construction of the stadium then go away. After that, it’s only temporary service jobs that get added for meager wages. An NFL stadium is only run for at least 8-11 games if they do very well, and maybe now and then a Super Bowl gets tossed to them and largely a local attraction. The tourist attraction of the stadium is very minimal in most cases, so it is money that is going to be already spent within the city limits. Besides stadium deals let the team keep most if not all the concession revenue, so it’s not like that money is going into the local economy either. You are better off without an NFL stadium and spending that $200-$300 a game you spend on tickets and food going out to a real local restaurant or shopping at a local boutique where that money has an actual impact on your local economy. In fact, some economists have suggested that a major sports team leaving their respective city will have the same net impact as a small to medium sized department store closing.

Well what about growing the area outside the stadium there is a lot of economic benefits for that isn’t there?

Not if the exorbitant stadium increases property values to a level where it prices out local companies and the new stadiums only benefits the folks who own the land and sell it off before the stadium blight takes shape.

Stadium Blight?

Say there is an excellent restaurant you like a few blocks away from the stadium, are you going to go there on a game day or night an event happens? See the traffic congestion and delays spurred on by the events at the stadium have an adverse impact on stores and restaurants in the surrounding area further decreasing money that would have been spent locally and not siphoned off by paying $10 for a liter of cola and $6 for a hot dog.

Losing your sports team is scary and emotionally wrecking, but that’s just it, it is emotional pain. I too would be devastated if the Bears decided to leave Chicago and I don’t even live there. I understand that and empathize with your pain. Financially you are better off as your tax money can be either lowered or better spent on projects that will have a far better positive impact on your community than a sports team like bettering your roads and local infrastructure projects. And if you miss football so much watch a game at Washington University, not a full substitute but still a better impact on your city than the Rams…

Or it will just wait for the new stadium in 3 years and welcome home YOUR ST. LOUIS JAGUARS!!!!

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aceg

This is magnificent… however as a Washington University grad (go Bears), I CANNOT endorse going to see a game there as any substitute for missing the NFL.

/sigh… three homecoming losses in four tries during the ’90s has to mean WE were the cupcake on the schedule, right??

Darkest Timeline Zack Morris

Excellent write up, Duchess. Sorry I’m just getting here, I’ve had a hell of a week.

Moose -The End Is Well Nigh
blaxabbath

If i were NFL commissioner, I’d give Mark Davis and Jimmy Haslam both expansion teams (in addition to the Raiders/Browns) and make them both share the LA stadium with the Rams.

Rikki-Tikki-Deadly

Blast from the past! When reading up on the Hue Jackson deal I found my way to this:

http://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/sports/The-Raiders-Were-Right-To-Fire-Hue-Jackson-137031898.html

Note the byline. NEEDS MORE CAPS LOCK!

ballsofsteelandfury

Not a single word in CAPS. No way he wrote that.

Moose -The End Is Well Nigh
ThePirateSloth

I haven’t looked too much into it, but I’d be curious to see the impact stadiums have based on their locations in their cities: downtown or out in the suburbs. I know from a zoning stance, it is preferred for a stadium to be built way the fuck out of town in order to surround it by a sea of concrete for parking. In the last decade or so, some newer stadiums have been going up in or closer to the downtown areas. I’d be curious to see the impact, not just on property value, but on a social and psychological level from an urban design standpoint.

I used to practice architecture and urban design, and big box retail, stadiums, and large scale architecture have always been a fascinating and frustrating thing to be involved in or just watch from the sides; from the things you mentioned up top – restaurants/hotels/other services – to actual revenue for the city/county and surrounding businesses to the actual design of it all and all the myriad of details to account for.

I’d type more, using Seattles two stadiums as an example, but it’s all conjecture with no real facts to back any of my opinion, which I doubt any one of you care to read about either. I’ve spent a lot of time in Pioneer Square (my old firm is located there), so my damned analytical mind has totally had a field day on the urban design and social problems the area has.

Recovery Whiskey

Anecdotally, Seattle’s stadiums are a real windfall to bar owners I patronize on game day.

blaxabbath

I loved a girl in Seattle once. She has season tickets in the Hawks Nest. I’ve never seen her on a broadcast.

Wakezilla

From my experiences of going to the Clink, the businesses around the area are popping from Friday Night until Sunday night. There are tons of people who go there and watch the games at the bars around the stadium. Conversely, Metlife stadium is a pain in the ass to get to and there’s nothing. It helps nobody.

blaxabbath

Much to be said for public transit to the stadium. FCS is the same as Metlife that it’s a traffic jam just to get to the stadium on gameday. On Monday, for the college national championship, the west valley freeways went into gridlock at about 4pm because of the event.

I haven’t been to Clink but I went down for a Mariners game once and the accessibility is wonderful. Our basketball and baseball stadiums are the same way (downtown Phoenix with light rail access) and, if either team would be good sometime, it’d be a blast to go to the area on gameday even if you don’t have a ticket. That just isn’t feasible for the football stadium unless you’re going to deal with gameday traffic just to tailgate for 4 hours.

Kungjitsu

The Jags are never moving because Shahid Khan is an honorab… HA! I couldn’t even get it out. Actually, they’re never moving because Duval is pretty much San Francisco in 1848, and old Khanny’s got hisself a hankerin’ fer gold. All the old money in the city were assholes and dipshits who could never see 15 minutes into the future, so 904 has never been developed. It’s just a bunch of urban sprawl. We’re Houston if you replaced the Mexicans with water.

Khan is buying up as much riverfront land as people will sell him. It’s just a matter of time before he makes the city/state dredge to allow bigger ships into the ports. Basically, he’s Frank Sobotka with $4 billion.

blaxabbath

Man, it’d be great to start seeing some NFL owners with slit throats. One can dream….

http://img14.deviantart.net/b4d1/i/2012/205/0/2/frank_sobotka_by_jonsix-d58f4hh.jpg

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Interesting fact: Jacksonville is the largest city by area in the continental United States.

Why Thank You Eddie

Lord, please don’t let the zombies find that out.

indieguy

So I’ve been listening to these guys http://roosterteeth.com/episode/sportsball-2016-21 lately and they seem surprisingly even tempered for a sports podcast.

montythisseemsstrangetome

Well written, Duchess. Interesting approach, using facts and reason and logic.

I don’t live in StL anymore but I grew up there… I am frankly relieved that the Rams are leaving. Even though the city leaders bent over and begged the NFL to fuck them in the ass, the NFL wouldn’t take the bait. In an odd way we’ve been spared from our own buttfuckery (it is TOO a word, Spell Check!).

blaxabbath

People like you who left are the reason STL is such a suffering city! Now the butterfly effect has taken flight!

montythisseemsstrangetome

I can live with that.

King Hippo

Laurence Phillips found dead in the pokey. This really is such a life-affirming New Year so far.

montythisseemsstrangetome

Well fuck’s sake. I remember how excited St. Louis was when he was drafted. Vermeil was going to take him under his wing and get him right. Man was that guy messed up. Phillips too.

SonOfSpam

Vermeil cried when he heard the news.

Not about Phillips, I mean any news, any day.

blaxabbath

“I thought this was just another NFL write up. Wait til you see Duchess DESTROYS the Rams with one post!”

Should be our facebook clickbait teaser.

Old School Zero

That’s some good writering. Way better than PK scolding the players to “SAVE YER GAME!!!”.

Also, Hue Jackson to the Browns. That has to give RTD and other Raiders fans some flashbacks.

Rikki-Tikki-Deadly

Hue “Hubris” Jackson and the Cleveland Browns is a match made in heaven*.

*pie heaven, which actually as it turns out *is* a trap.

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The Browns are going back this all wrong. The isn’t finding the right coach, it’s that you have too few!

They need to have multiple coaches–eight of them if they can–and call it the “College of Coaches”. After all, it worked for the Cubs!

Doktor Zymm

Curious, does this take into account using the stadium as a concert/event venue in addition to home games?

Bugg

Even with 2 teams in the Meadowlands you have 20 games dates and may be another 15 summer concert dates in a good year. Really probably less. May be some executive staff work full time, but the bulk of the employees are per diem for may be 35 dates at most.

blaxabbath

35 dates at most! MAYBE!

Bugg

Metlife events other than the NFL for 2016 as of today-not even 10 other events-

http://www.metlifestadium.com/events-tickets/event-calendar

blaxabbath

Great write up. Without swaying too much into the Bring Back Matt Realm Of Non-Footballery (bringbackmatt.wordpress.com), I know America is a corporatist country but the “jobs created” catch-all is fucking laughable. No NFL game day employee is supporting his family on that gig. Yeah, I’m sure it’s some fine Sunday scratch and the restaurants (most of which are chain houses) at the stadium see an significant influx ON THE 8 HOME GAMES PER YEAR, but that’s it.

The concept of, “Hey, let’s add a bunch of tourist taxes (hotel rooms, rental cars, etc) to cover these stadium costs, as if these aren’t going to negatively effect the tourist industry which probably make up the weekday hospitality jobs the game day stadium employees hold down.” is flawed and the people who push it know it’s bs.

The Arizona Sports & Tourism Authority has been on a tear with new stadium construction since 2000, building the new hockey arena (2003) and Fake College Stadium (2006) in Glendale plus 8 new spring training facilities — and renovating 2 others, the shittiest of which is Maryvale which was constructed in ’98 (the same year the Dbacks stadium opened) all across the valley. When the city of Glendale tried to bounce the Coyotes (they have since agreed on a 2-year deal for the team to stay), every local town’s first move was to talk about constructing an arena for the Suns/Coyotes to share.

Personally, I like having sports teams and, if these stupid governments are going to go bankrupt anyways, I’d rather get something (ANYTHING) in return for public handouts they are going to give their rich pals anyways. But that’s what it ends. Don’t tell me the Cardinals are the crux of the local economy when the same stadium hosts 8 football games a year and (checks stadium schedule): Soccer games, Fiesta Bowl, CFP game (2016), Final Four (2017), Concerts, the occasional Super Bowl/Wrestlemania, plus all these bullshit motocross races, car shows, and RV sales. Yeah, I get that much of that comes on the backs of it being an NFL stadium, but don’t tell me that it’s some brilliant angle for great jobs and to fill the public coffers.

SonOfSpam

Looking for flaws in your argument, can’t find any. But then, you’re not a SUPER BILLIONAIRE JOB CREATOR AND TRICKLE DOWN DERP

Rikki-Tikki-Deadly

Maybe they can get J.T. O’Sullivan to help out with this Stadium Blight thing. He’s already got experience dealing with Potato Blight, how different can the two be?

ballsofsteelandfury

Cleveland = Kmart
Buffalo = JC Penney
St. Louis = Woolworth’s

indieguy

The best thing about this is my dad is a life long browns fan and works at kmart

blaxabbath

I feel like the Browns are Circuit City because, didn’t they close their doors once just to somehow be revived in bankruptcy to remain a bottom feeder retailer?

Doktor Zymm

There’s an ex-circut city in MD that’s now a giant liquor store/ brew pub.

jjfozz

What? You gotta cough up name and location, Herr Doktor.

Also, Circuit City’s employees were so bad at customer service that it was entertaining.

I heard this bon mot once from a salesperson talking to a customer, “VCR? Why inna fuck you wanna buy a VCR?”

jjfozz

Beltsville ain’t gonna happen, too far from the Fozz Lair. I can get in bourble without even getting out the front door. Plus, no pants.

Bugg

The Jets-that bucket of blood bar that stays in business milking pensioners during the day, selling lottery tickets, and nobody goes to otherwise until they either have had way too many drinks elsewhere and want even more, or want to get lucky and aren’t interested in the length nor quality of companionship, or both. And it gets robbed every year when they pay out their Super Bowl box pool.

Recovery Whiskey

Seattle – Amazon ?

Doktor Zymm

MOAR STADIUM BLIGHT
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Bugg

The one thing the NFL is not dealing with; watching a game on your huge ass HDTV or in a bar with several of them is cheaper and much less aggravating. Unless you like spending 4 hours waiting/driving after another usually awful game, being treated like a criminal instead of a guest, and overpriced everything. NFL games are fast approaching the point that it might as well be held in a TV studio. Been to a few Jets games and a Giants game since I gave up my tickets. There are a lot of empty sky boxes for most games. The revenue assumptions don’t meet the eyeball test. Frankly if you’re trying to sell something to a potential new client or customer meeting them in the swamps of Jersey for some crappy food and overpriced booze is not a quality expense. Simply the assumptions that the stadiums are a big moneymaker don’t make any sense at all unless states and municipalities kick into the team’s kiddy. The NFL is driven by TV money, period.

jjfozz

I do NOT approve of kicking a team’s kiddy. They’re too young to be kicked.

Wakezilla

Oh man, Metlife was such a shitty experience. I wouldn’t go back there again

King Hippo

COLOR RUSH JORTS!!!

Great fucking takedown. As an aside, if you wanna hate the #BFIB even MOAR, read the comments to this muthaflippa:

http://www.vivaelbirdos.com/2016/1/12/10757876/cardinals-rams-st-louis-relocation

I read the SL Cards interwebs whenever I want to feel better about being part of my Donks’ fanhood. It’s not my worstest allegiance, not anywhere fucking close.

blaxabbath

what is #bfib?

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And they are.

King Hippo

Name another fanbase that would put up with being so far behind the Yankees in 2nd place in WS titles. YOU CAN’T!!

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But the Yankees just BUY championships. ANYONE can do that. The Cardinals are way smaller than New York and build championship teams the RIGHT way and are therefore more deserving.