Morning Placeholder Thread (Donks Offseason Musings)

God help me, rationalization is a powerful thing. But I have started to see John Elway’s 3-D chess moves come together in my head, and I like it.

YES. That means that I think it is a good and proper idea to go into the 2016 season with The Sanchize as Corpse PeyPey’s replacement. As the unquestioned starter. No, I haven’t been hitting the Tussin yet.

It’s all about opportunity cost. When you are up against the cap, with no credible starting QB on the roster…opposing GMs and agents are gonna try to play you for suckers. So, you can cripple the franchise for a speculative, marginal at best (I mean, Jeebus, we’ve seen Colin Kaepernick play) for years down the road. Or, you can bask in the warming glow of SUPER BOWL L CHAMPION GOODWILL.

Rolling with a $4.5M starting QB (who, all joking aside, is really mostly average if you surround him with talent and don’t ask him to do too much) allows you to do things at other positions. Like re-sign the only plus non-kicker offensive performer from said Super Bowl (CJ Anderson). Not a coincidence that Elway matched after the Kaep trade/restructure deal fell apart. Next up? An honest-to-God left tackle! Perish the thought, but Russell Okung is coming to town for oats and hay with the big man, and the corpse of Ryan Clady will likely hit the bricks in exchange.

Denver can’t make that swap if it does the Kaep deal. Hell, Elway might not even have been able to keep Clady on a reduced deal.

So now you have a borderline Pro Bowl-caliber RB (with fairly low mileage), a solid starter at LT, and most importantly – ALL your draft assets still to play with. If one of the top QBs slips, Elway can take one in the 1st, and trade up as need be. Otherwise, as I would prefer, he can draft one of the elite OG prospects to step in right away and give Denver a complete, very good-to-excellent line for years to come. This sets the foundation for the running game to have a real chance, and for the yet-to-be-determined QB of the future to succeed.

Next comes the hard part. Denver has to do its diligence on Dak Prescott, to determine if he is still draftable after the DUI arrest, and if so, whether he will still be there in the late 3rd. Would be mighty tempting to go with another pass rusher to replace Malik Jackson with the 2nd round pick, and still get the QB you want at the end of Day Two. But that’s high stakes poker.

Glad that I trust the talking horse with the cards in his hoof.

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King Hippo
Reclusive, vulgar Broncos fan. Also a proud fookin' Evertonian. Likely dropped on my head repeatedly as a small child. [Insert George Carlin quote followed by thoughtful nod.]
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Moose -The End Is Well Nigh

OK, OK, the fans are calling it; apparently the sky is falling in Denver (it IS snowing), maybe I should chicken little it and moan and wail, first to last in an instant. Who will save us? Why for art thou forsaken the orange rhyme, oh great one? Let’s actually play a few games before slitting.

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Low Commander of the Super Soldiers

Don’t know if this was said earlier, but “…a borderline Pro Bowl-caliber RB…”

You mean the guy that didn’t even rush for 800 yards last season?

Wakezilla

At least from what we saw in the playoffs, Mr. Anderson will get a lot more touches in the regular season and Hillman will be less of a handcuff

Moose -The End Is Well Nigh

Well, RBs don’t play very much in the probowl so sure, alternate mode.

He is a good, power runner with some speed, a potential of success if the blocking improves (he had initial contact behind the LoS on a huge % of his plays last year). He is a good closer as evidenced by some success late in games when the QBs couldn’t be trusted to get yardage. The running game should improve with better OL play, Somebody needs to come in and beat out Hillman. As Wakezilla said; he played well in the playoffs when it counted.

Moose -The End Is Well Nigh
Moose -The End Is Well Nigh
Moose -The End Is Well Nigh

Subjected myself to two TV and one radio “analysis” shows, and all the moves the P*rtriot W*y is making, Jesus, they were handing them the trophy. Knob slobbering at it’s best, granted they have been very successful, but fuck.

Moose -The End Is Well Nigh
montythisseemsstrangetome

This book is overdue at the library, Moose. Don’t make them send their goons.

blaxabbath

As someone who is mid engagement ring shopping (it’s all picked out, they’re just supposed to call me when it’s ready now), looking through SB rings makes me wish I’d had gone 60000% gaudier with the design and included a reminder for her.

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Rikki-Tikki-Deadly

I hate the Broncos. Hate hate hate them. That said, I don’t understand why everybody – including their fans – is so focused on their (admittedly grim) future. They just won the Super Bowl. They should be lording it over everyone.

Rikki-Tikki-Deadly

Not you, though, Hippo. You seem to be safely ensconced in your delusions of their prospects for next year.

Moose -The End Is Well Nigh

So you think a mostly intact team that has a fresh trophy will just forget how to play?

Moose -The End Is Well Nigh

Manning had some fucking horrendous games and Brocky was “OK”, most of these games they won. Unless there is a lot of injuries I don’t see that just disappearing, especially if they fix the OL, or just improve it.

Moose -The End Is Well Nigh

Plus I don’t think Marky is ensconced as the starter by any stretch.

Moose -The End Is Well Nigh

I’m sure it will be an open competition with any rookies, the guy from the PS and any tomato can they sign between now and then. I would expect him to start for a while, maybe, then get replaced by one of the younger guys.

Moose -The End Is Well Nigh
Porky Prime

I’ve found that many Broncos fans have a complex about their placement amongst all time legendary franchises. It’s less Freud and more Fredo.

The Right Reverend Electric Mayhem

I love that turn of phrase.

Moose -The End Is Well Nigh

Really? I don’t really see that. Most Donkey fans, hell all fans don’t know Jack Shit about the history of the NFL in general. Jack left Denver years ago.

Beerguyrob

Prior years of losing Superb Owls have robbed them of the natural arrogance that has built up in Patriots fans.

Moose -The End Is Well Nigh

A few of those, well five of them were brutal.

Moose -The End Is Well Nigh
blaxabbath

FUCK ALL RAIDER HATERS!

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Moose -The End Is Well Nigh

I wouldn’t say grim; as far as the division do you think the Chefs will unseat them? The Waiders are improving, but not there yet…… and the Bolts? The D lost two starters to FA They have great depth and the front office has been doing well in the draft.

Rikki-Tikki-Deadly

Have you seen what the Raiders have done in free agency? If they stay healthy, it should come down to them or the Chiefs.

Moose -The End Is Well Nigh

Will they be off season champs? FA will fill a few holes and focus the draft, they won’t turn a team completely around. The Raiders have a solid core now and will do well, but I don’t see a huge drop off with the Donks, but people will overreact.

Moose -The End Is Well Nigh

It will be a fucking tough division, but I agree with the them being good, but I believe it will be a three-way race with the Bolts as bottom feeders.

blaxabbath

Raiders got that CARR INSURANCE

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blaxabbath

Oh fuck you the internet….

Moose -The End Is Well Nigh

That actually worked.

scotchnaut

[Hippo quietly hums to himself]

https://youtu.be/W02bWSmiXvA

Moose -The End Is Well Nigh
Porky Prime

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Moose -The End Is Well Nigh
Porky Prime

Looks like the $1 I put on the Raiders at +3300 to win it all was well spent!

Or should I have bought those value sized onion rings? Oh Burger King, such choices you force upon me!

laserguru

At least with the onion rings you have a return.

Good to see you back Mr. Porky.

Moose -The End Is Well Nigh

I think the Raiders will be pretty good.

BrettFavresColonoscopy

Black Unicorn traded to Black Sith Lord:

http://deadspin.com/the-patriots-are-thrilled-to-get-martellus-bennett-eve-1765448920

I really picked the wrong month to quit drinking.

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Apparently, the new regime was not particularly pleased with him. They got more efficient production out of Zach Miller, although that may be as much about who John Fox preferred rather than who was better.

BrettFavresColonoscopy

That logic worked so well for the Bears in the past. See: Mike Martz and Greg Olsen

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Plus now he can be “DAAAHKIE UNICAAAWWWN”

Beerguyrob

The problem is, all the #2 chips are still defective, and the players go stabby-stab bang-bang after a couple of years.

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laserguru

Damn that is some weapons grade kool-aid you’re drinking Hippo.

ArmedandHammered

Stockholm Syndrome is my guess.

laserguru

Despite the claims otherwise I still blame the tussin.

laserguru

Roll the dice with the draft and start from scratch at QB. Maybe shake loose Fitzmagic for a year or two.

Moose -The End Is Well Nigh

They tried with Fitzmagic, but he wants Flacco money.

The Right Reverend Electric Mayhem

It depends- do I fear Tattoos or STDs more?

Moose -The End Is Well Nigh

Can’t we have both?

Moose -The End Is Well Nigh

They are not set as Sanchez as the starter; they will probably go into camp with four potential QBs including from the draft. They did pretty well last year without a QB or an OL.

Moose -The End Is Well Nigh

Steve McNair has a whole in his schedule.

theeWeeBabySeamus

Will trade you Flacco for Sanchez (and the respective contract/cap hit) any fucking day my friend.

blaxabbath

He bet on himself and won!

At the detriment to the future of the franchise.

Moose -The End Is Well Nigh

Didn’t he win some big game or something?

Fronkenshteen

Do you guys do rivebrogs for the NCAA tourney? I could use some laughs today.

BrettFavresColonoscopy

Basketball coma open threads are indeed on the calendar. It may get weird up in here.

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montythisseemsstrangetome

Yep, looks like there’s one set to go up at 10:00 a.m. Central Time (The Official Time Zone of Door Flies Open).

JOIN US

Fronkenshteen

Sanchez will do fine. With a shutdown D, he won plenty of road playoff games for the Jets. And C.J. Anderson just became a tremendous fantasy option. Good thing I dumped him on the waiver wire in week 11 for Orleans Darkwa. In a keeper league. Shit.

BrettFavresColonoscopy

Do I buy that John Elway knows what he’s doing? Neigh.

Moose -The End Is Well Nigh

Yes, he has a terrible record so far.

Moose -The End Is Well Nigh

Did you even go through the correct protocols for this comment?

BrettFavresColonoscopy

ಠ_ಠ

Moose -The End Is Well Nigh

As simple as that response was; it cracked me the fuck up SAMI.

Unsurprised

Even Pete Carroll isn’t running a defense-based team, and they won* him a couple national championships at SC.

Unsurprised

However, you make a compelling argument (Hippo’s a lawyer, too, no?). I can’t for the life of me figure out how Sanchez has remained in the NFL for this long—the AFC championships were a lifetime ago in football years—but maybe there’s something to it. Carson Palmer was broken and washed up, but he pulled something out of nowhere since going to Arizona. I figure the Broncos can feed him green chile and hope for the best or at least watch him explode like a piñata.

blaxabbath

Palmer passed for 4000+ yards in 2012 with OAK. I don’t think he was necessarily washed up (though I get that a 4-12 team is going to throw the ball A LOT) but there’s always that risk of bringing in any player who has had ‘down’ years and wondering if it’s an outlier or a sign of their demise.

As we move further into the era of the mobile QBs, I think pure passers* are going to get more second chances (Hoyer, Nacho, Cousins) than dual-threat guys because teams have a fairly decent idea of how passers break down. Yeah, guys pushing 40 like Br*dy, Favre, Manning (and, upcoming, Rodgers/Rivers/Brees/Palmer) might be less predictable but, like with RBs, I think when dual-threat guys lose their step for one season, it’s gone for good (Vick, K77p7r777k) and they’ll get relegated to the bench as a “help the young guy study” back up.

montythisseemsstrangetome

What about Jesse Palmer? Jim Palmer? Arnold Palmer? Robert Palmer?

The Right Reverend Electric Mayhem

Rapey-looking, sold out to Big Underwear, shoulder trouble and dead.

If “dead” is an option, then Lord Palmerston. Large hands, good intangibles, makes good reads on foreign policy in Asia

montythisseemsstrangetome

Counterpoint:

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Doktor Zymm

I like Nacho on the Broncs cause it means this gif will be posted repeatedly, in context, for at least another year.