“What’s Old Is Stupid Again” – Your Monday Night DFO Hate Week Open Thread

Welcome, one and all, to another edition of [DFO] Hate Week, an annual tradition not unlike Festivus where we take aspects of the game we all enjoy and express our dissatisfaction at certain aspects of it.

I’m your host for most of the week, Beerguyrob,

and together we will walk hand-in-hand setting fire to that which boils the blood.

This year is extra special, as it is the tenth year of this tradition that started back in 2017. Which game was that year? Oh yeah,

Stupid fuckin’ fuckety fuck Falcons.

Before we begin, I’d like to introduce the theme song for the week – “Fuck Right Off” by Claudia von Blatt

(Here’s a YouTube link for those who don’t do the Spot.)

I think you’ll agree that it strikes at the cold, blackened heart of every Kommentist. The line about alcohol delivery really speaks to me.

I can’t imagine why…

I’m also using the original graphic for the header tonight, to show love to my hatey confrère, Low Commander, who has provided us with many enjoyable photoshops over the decade of this adventure.

Today’s topic: this so-called “Ends of eras” bullshit surrounding coaches Harbaugh & Tomlin, and the wasted tears therein.


Within the space of one week from Black Monday, we witnessed the end of over 37 years of coaching experience as John Harbaugh & Mike Tomlin were relieved of their positions, partially as a result of their most recent interaction.

You would think this was a funeral the way they’ve both been eulogized in recent weeks. Mike Tomlin achieved the unthinkable by retiring undefeated. He went 193-114-2, ending his time with the Steelers tied with Chuck Noll for wins and four ties behind Buddy Parker. Harbaugh was only the third coach in Ravens history, and finishes his time a clean 100 wins ahead of Brian Billick. Each of them won one Super Bowl, and they were the defining coaches of the AFC North for the last 15 years.

But how good were they really?

Rate of success

Well, Tom Flores has two head coaching Super Bowls, both won with Jim Plunkett at quarterback.

The Steelers last Super Bowl was in 2009, and Mike Tomlin was doing his best George Seifert imitation. Tomlin took over from Bill Cowher and inherited a stable lineup that was built to maintain success. The Ben may have been a gropey rapey kind of person, but with the right weapons around him he was lethal, something which doesn’t afford Deshaun Watson the same courtesy. Only Jon Gruden has a worse claim to having coached to a Lombardi victory “on his own”, and he blames that on having to take over from a black coach.

“That’s my fucking ring, asshole.” “Sure, whatever. How’s your son?”

The Ravens last Super Bowl was in 2012, with a elite quarterback in Joe Flacco. Since then, while New England had the back half of Tom Brady & Andy Reid had the first half of Patrick Mahomes. All Harbs had was two-time MVP Lamar Jackson and he didn’t even sniff the Super Bowl. Long story short, it’s been a long time since someone was arrested for pissing on Art Modell’s grave and Ray Lewis still walks free. 

Longevity

Both of them endured both on their own guile and others’ incompetence. Mike Tomlin was given the reins of a team that had won a Super Bowl two years earlier & injuries had reduced to 8-8. He walked in from the Vikings with moderate expectations and the Rooney Rule protecting his position for awhile. The change brought immediate results as he went 10-6 in Year 1 and 12-4 with a Bowl in Year 2. Since then – all past reputation.

John Harbaugh wasn’t even the Ravens first choice! Hilariously, the Ravens wanted Jason Garrett, and only settled for Harbaugh because Garrett chose to stay & suckle at the coaching teat of Wade Phillips because Jerry Jones gave him a raise. His success in Baltimore was a little more hard-earned, but he was able to make at least the Divisional Round every year from his first, ultimately winning his only Super Bowl in the 2012 season. Since then – past reputation.

So what keeps coaches coasting on past reputations employed? Worse organizations! And boy, does the AFC North have a couple of ’em.

The good fortune of playing in the same division as Cleveland and Cincinnati ensured that they really only had to be concerned with each other. I mean, given this staggering level of scouting incompetence,

Here’s the link to the full story and image. (courtesy DrawPlayDave)

it’s hard to believe the Browns have won… any divisions titles. In fact, research

shows that Aaron Rodgers has more AFC North titles (1) than the Browns (0) during the Harbaugh-Tomlin era. And while the Bengals think they got it made because their coach was the only one in the division who kept his job after the season,

just one look at Joe Burrow’s injury chart

shows that he’s not much longer for this world, let alone the Bengals. Even if he pulls the old Carson Palmer to get the fuck away from Mike Brown, the teams that might be willing to take him are also more likely to get him killed than the Bengals. Being highly paid on a bad team you know is probably better than being obscenely paid on a shitty team that shortens your lifespan.

It can even make you famous.

Eventually, welcomes get worn out. Their longevity was enhanced by success long diminished and opponents stupider than shit.

Legacy

But what is their legacy? Someone somewhere (WCS?) brought up the concept of the Mike Tomlin coaching tree, and how it didn’t have any branches.

Artist’s rendering

And since I covered coaching trees last year, I gave the idea a cursory looksee

The only name that appeared as a NFL head coach was Bruce Arians. (If you think I’m counting former Memphis Showboats head man Todd Haley, you’re out of your fucking mind.)

Besides, he’s got better things to do.

So, the idea that he’s left no actual legacy has some merit.

As for John Harbaugh, he has more branches in his tree, but a lot of them are pretty fucking weak. Just look at this roster of incompetence:

  • Hue Jackson,
  • Chuck Pagano,
  • Rex Ryan,
  • Mike Pettine,
  • David Culley,
  • Vic Fangio,
  • Mike Macdonald

It’s a bad sign when the last guy to leave your team is the best guy you produced. What’s worse, the best guy before Mike Macdonald was Rex Ryan.

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But I guess what’s old is new again, again, because Jim Harbaugh is the latest willing victim of the NY FOOTBALL Giants coaching carousel.

And that started a cavalcade of signings: (list courtesy of FOX Sports)

  • The Falcons hired former franchise quarterback Matt Ryan as the team’s president of football and former Browns head coach Kevin Stefanski as their new head coach, which made Baker Mayfield very salty,

  • The Ravens hired Chargers defensive coordinator Jesse Minter to be their next head coach.
  • The Bills promoted offensive coordinator Joe Brady to head coach.
  • The Browns hired Ravens offensive coordinator Todd Monken to be their head coach, and in the process pissed off Myles Garrett something fierce.
  • The Chargers hired former Dolphins head coach Mike McDaniel as their next offensive coordinator.
  • Handsome gentleman don_t’s Titans hired Robert Saleh as their next head coach.
  • Finally, the Steelers hired Mike McCarthy, or, as the internet sees it,

  • UPDATE after I’d put the article to bed: The Cardinals hath brought another Lafleur unto the Fraternity of Failure. Now I’ve got to revise other lines. Fuckers.

Shockingly, long-time incompetent franchises Oakland LA Oakland Las Vegas and Arizona Phoenix Arizona are is still looking for a head coach, and are waiting to see who wins The Big Game©®™ to commit to more interviews. This is why I don’t pity coaches – they know what they’re getting into. What I’m shocked by is how we haven’t heard yet which TV network hired Mike Tomlin, but I guess they’re saving that for the draft.


Tonight’s sports: (all times Eastern)

NHL:

  • Leafs vs. Flames – 7:00pm | Sportsnet (outside Toronto), TSN4 (inside Toronto), ESPN+

NBA:

  • T-wolves vs. Grizzlies – 7:00pm | Sportsnet1, Peacock
  • 76ers vs. Clippers – 10:00pm | Sportsnet1, Peacock

NCAA:

  • Men’s:
    • Syracuse vs. #16 North Carolina – 7:00pm | ESPN / TSN2
    • #14 Kansas vs. #11 Texas Tech – 9:00pm | ESPN / TSN2
  • Women’s:
    • #3 South Carolina vs. Texas A&M – 8:00pm | ESPN2

Don’t forget – it’s only three more hate-filled nights until the Olympics start, and two more days after that until The Big Game©®™!

Rage on!

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2Pack

This was sensational Beerguy!
Thanks.

Doktor Zymm

After the earthquake swarm in San Ramon this morning and another little one about 45 minutes ago I started reading about the Hayward fault and I’m now slightly terrified while also being entertained by the pictorial safety instructions in the EMSC app

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ballsofsteelandfury

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SonOfSpam

Very underrated Bond movie. Maybe top 3 theme.

Doktor Zymm

A cautionary tale about fracking, well ahead of its time

bk109

Yeah, if I were you – I’d look up the Cascadia Subduction Zone and how, uh… Portland is basically a proper earthquake away from becoming one of the world’s biggest mass graves..

Edit: Also, I guess good mornin’ DFO!

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Doktor Zymm

Looks like the probabilities on the Hayward fault are higher since it’s got a shorter return time which it has passed by about 20 years, but not by a whole lot, and both are disturbingly high for such catastrophic events. Oh well, at least the weather is nice while we await our doom

WCS

I’ll give Kristen Noem credit: she says this is most transparent Administration in US history. She’s not wrong; they’re doing whatever they want, however they want, and not bothering to pretend it’s anything but fascist any longer.

rockingdog

Last funny:

getting some obnoxiously big titties pizza 🍕

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WCS

23:08 EST and we’re back.

For now.

STOP LOOKING AT LOWRATIO CROSS-EYED, IT BREAKS THE SITE

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rockingdog

Found a funny:

Every day Mamdani comes out and is like “hey guys, I turned off the orphan-crushing machine. Literally just had to flip a switch. Took less than 5 minutes.”

After decades of dem leadership pissing and moaning and fundraising about how complex an issue it is and how difficult the process is etc

rockingdog

Related:

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Mr. Ayo

The SaddleDome is like 75% Leafs fans. Hilarious.

ballsofsteelandfury

If anyone ever asks, “What’s wrong with Canada?”, you can point to this unhealthy obsession with the Leafs.

Mr. Ayo

I was surprised how few Leafs fans were here in Seattle last week. Even better those that showed up got to watch them get their assed kicked.

blaxabbath

Good hate piece.

Sharkbait

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WCS

LOFTY hate

WCS

Well, shit. Ice MAROONDARKS managed to squeak out a win, 3-2.

Sharkbait

I forgot the Beanpot was on tonight. BC crushed Harvard 5-1 in the first game, and Northeastern is tied with BU close to the end of the 2nd Mrs Sharkbait is a NU alum, and I’ve adopted them since I went to a DIII hockey school

rockingdog

College Hockey is ROCKINGGGG!!! 🏒 🥅

Rikki-Tikki-Deadly

In case Spotify won’t play the whole thing, here’s a youtube link. Give it a listen, it’s quite delightful.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Q5QbZ1h9uI

Gumbygirl

Sooooo good!

Don T

Gruden’s Owl win still gets at me because fucking genius Bill Callahan kept the same playcalls for the RAAAAAIIII DUUUUUURS that Oakland had UNDER GRUDEN #Professionalism

Don T

Just hot fiya 🔥! And WOW. That was the meanest and therefore funniest pic caption I remeber

WCS

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/nKJDp7Fz8z8

Every now and again, I like to rewatch this.

BrettFavresColonoscopy

I don’t think there’s a press conference of his where I watched and thought “yeah, this guy knows what he’s doing”.

BrettFavresColonoscopy
WCS

Who did watch his interview and say, “Yeah, this guy knows what he’s doing!”

ballsofsteelandfury

Who thought Chase Claypool would be a good WR after Pittsburgh?

See my comment below…

BrettFavresColonoscopy

I actually quite liked Mike Tomlin, but any discussion of his legacy should include his failed attempt to trip an opposing player on the field.

scotchnaut

The blowout of Sillycuse (playing at UNC) is well underway of course.

WCS

Ice Stillers looking less-than-good after one, but still leading, 1-0, over Ice BLACKREDS.

NotShogunButShogun

There’s a reason there’s no branches on tomlins tree…but I’m not going there.

ballsofsteelandfury

I’m curious…

FWIW, I don’t think coaching trees matter. You’re coaching players, not coaches.

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NotShogunButShogun

I’m thinking he doesn’t do trees.

Doktor Zymm

It’s really more of a coaching asparagus

ballsofsteelandfury

Coaching Saguaro?

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blaxabbath

I dont think a coach is obligated to have a tree. His job is to win for his team.

Doktor Zymm

The Beast in the book of Revelation has 7 heads and 10 horns and portends the Apocalypse. That QB Beast from the Cleveland Browns has 42 heads and portends anyone who has read “The Hitchhiker’s Guide to the Galaxy” despairing that the answer to Life, the Universe, and Everything is apparently having your soul crushed by incompetent football in Ohio, but not, surprisingly, in Cincinnati

scotchnaut

There’s a scotch/WCS Derby tonight. Los Penguinos are up on the Sens 1-0. Everyone in the clubhouse must be on the edge of their beanbag chairs!

King Hippo

But is there a QUORUM present???

SonOfSpam

I wore it for a while, late 80s I think.

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Don T

That bottle! I can’t smell it: sandalwood base, with accents of jasmine and hot dog water

Rikki-Tikki-Deadly

Why anyone would douse themselves with toilet water in order to smell better* has always been a mystery to me.

*excludes Jim Tomsula

WCS

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haldo

Redshirt

Speaking of hate…

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SonOfSpam

Ok, but Germans? Don’t act like you hate the “shitting on camera” thing.

Brick Meathook

It’s probably too late for Joe Burrow, but I think there’s a lot to be said for the Tom Brady strategy of taking a discounted pay package to free up cap space for skill players, particularly offensive linemen who were keeping him alive. The greatest QB in the league can’t accomplish much if he’s on his back, and he won’t last long. Or he’ll get permanently rattled. Of course, the team needs to actually apply the savings to skill players instead of pocketing the money and letting their QB get killed for cheap. The Browns would definitely do that.

Redshirt

“It’s probably too late for Joe Burrow…”

What are you talking about? The pig is just barely past the brush!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1XIcS63jA3w&pp=ygUYc2ltcHNvbnMgaXQncyBzdGlsbCBnb29k

Doktor Zymm

Looking at the chart, I’m thinking dislocated hip next season

jjfozz

Harbs was a great coach, and then his message got staler than a doughnut lodged under a cabinet in Andy Reid’s house. His loyalty to staff that were obviously brain dead contributed a great deal to his demise.

Another glaring problem was clock management throughout his career. Several of my vocal cords are as busted out as Ginger Lynn from screaming about this.

Finally, when you just got your ass handed to you when you’re up 14, Bible verses and “Who’s got it better than us?” don’t work.

And even though Greg Roman is gone, he can get fucked with a porcupine.

SonOfSpam

C’mon man, there are no donuts anywhere in Andy Reid’s house unless they’re in his hand about to go into his maw.

jjfozz

I figured with his girth he wouldn’t be able to reach a doughnut lodged against a piece of furniture and the wall.

SonOfSpam

That’s a great point. Maybe he could get one of his skinny drug-addicted sons to fetch it.

Rikki-Tikki-Deadly

He mashed the keypad on his phone to order a special food-gathering hook but it hasn’t been delivered yet.

ballsofsteelandfury

Counterpoints:

Throughout the Brady era, the Pats were in the same division as the Jets, the Dolphins, and the pre-Josh Allen Bills. Not exactly Murderers Row.

Tomlin Voodoo was real. Some of those years should have been 4,5, or 6 win years with the talent he had at his disposal. He somehow coached them to non-losing records.

In addition, all the Steelers players that were productive and then left for other teams had their careers disappear. Pick any WR in the last decade…

The biggest problem with the Steelers post-Super Bowl has been misses on draft picks. That’s a GM responsibility, not the Head Coach.

jjfozz

By “voodoo” do you mean tripping players as they try to return a kickoff for a TD?

WE WILL NEVER FORGET BECAUSE WE’RE BALTIMORONS AND THAT GAME MATTERED!!!!!!!!

ballsofsteelandfury

The Voodoo was that he basically got away with it.

We all know he did it on purpose…

ballsofsteelandfury

You still won the game…

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