Devil Town: Tuesday Open Thread

And all my friends were vampires

Didn’t know they were vampires

Turns out I was a vampire myself

In the Devil Town

-Devil Town by Daniel Johnston

Strange days at the Mayhem household. My son, the Deacon, was involved in two incidents at school last week where another kid hit him. The first involved a couple kids making fun of Deac and one hitting him in the face. Deac then charged that kid and chased him halfway across the playground.

School did everything right- the teacher dressed down the offenders for being complete assholes  Deac wasn’t in trouble, and he was fine in his neurospicy way- they were Bad Guys, he scared them off, they got in trouble. Transaction settled.

Two days later, the puncher (“Asshat”) decides to start some shit again. This time, the other kids told Asshat to stop, this was wrong, this isn’t who we are, etc. Kudos to anti-bullying training- it seems to be effective at the kindergarten level at least. Well Asshat doesn’t like that, so he punches Deac in the face again. Deac, to his credit, got his hands up and covered himself instead of retaliating, at which point the recess monitor finally got over there while the classmates checked on Deac.

Again, Deac doesn’t seem to take this personally. Asshat is a Bad Guy, and this kind of shit is what Bad Guys do. He appreciated that his friends stuck up for him, and one apologized for being a dick the couple days before.

School took some additional actions, I shared some background on Asshat’s family life that I turned up through Facebook, and it looks like things are actually ok.

I know this shit happens, and that the Deacon upheld the family honor in the best way possible without becoming the aggressor himself. But I don’t know how to counsel him in a way that doesn’t sound like a fucking After School Special.

I have no frame of reference. I was never really bullied as a kid. I took pains to be as invisible as possible, because I knew I was the “weird kid” and would be marked out.

I’ve never been hit by a peer in anger- the one “fight” I’ve been in was as a law student, and that was just avoiding a drunk asshole’s swing and tossing him across the bar after he got handsy with a friend of mine. Not even a proper fight.

I know the liberal parenting tradition says “violence never solves anything.” I’m also a history major who knows this is one of the Great Lies that well-meaning people tell themselves. Norms never stopped a bullet, and we are watching the effects of what happens when one group of people has a willingness to use naked power and another group is unwilling to defend itself and its constituents. You have to be willing to fight sometimes, and we cannot raise our kids to believe otherwise.

But it’s also incredibly difficult for a young kid to exercise considered, rational judgment in the middle of a confrontation. Hell, that’s tough for grown-ups; see Tyson, Michael: “Everybody has plans until they get hit for the first time.”

So here I am. Trying to teach the concept of appropriate and proportional response to a kid who regularly forgets to raise the toilet seat when he’s peeing. In a country whose top officials’ mindsets are stuck on Big Explosions Equal Big Penises.

I feel like maybe those pre-natal parenting classes could have spent a little less time on how to swaddle a newborn and more on this shit.

SPORTS:

There is only one sport right now. One series. One game. Those Goddamned pseudoFrench-speaking, pâté chinois-eating fucknuggets are trying to cheat the Most Glorious Ice Bills out of their rightful Stanley Cup destiny.

Pray for Montreal. Ukko-Pekka Luukkonen is going to steal their souls.

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Gumbygirl

Today I learned that the mayor if Fontana CA is Acquanetta Warren. She’s named after hairspray. Who does that to a kid?

BrettFavresColonoscopy

Hairspray enthusiasts?

Rikki-Tikki-Deadly

Like me!

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SonOfSpam

Probably someone who went to a lot of Cult Cure Cult Cure holy shit either band would work here what do I do Poison concerts.

BrettFavresColonoscopy

Or big fans of the musical…. Hairspray

So Hairspray enthusiasts

BrettFavresColonoscopy

:fart noise:

Brick Meathook

Surface ship steam turbine main propulsion assembly. Note the different pinion diameters between the high pressure and low pressure turbines, and the size of the worker in lower left. This would all drive one shaft.

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Brick Meathook

Dulles Airport

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SonOfSpam

Looks like the dulles airport, can’t think of one duller.

Doktor Zymm

It’s too bad the dulles brothers weren’t the dullest

Rikki-Tikki-Deadly

It’s fun to reminisce about my interactions with the local bully.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bvy1JO0izdE

Rikki-Tikki-Deadly

(DRAMATIZATION: MAY NOT HAVE HAPPENED)

Rikki-Tikki-Deadly

Though of the two kids who picked on me to any significant degree (not very significant) one of them went to prison for attempted murder (and is possibly still there) and the other died young most likely due to substance abuse.

Rikki-Tikki-Deadly

It’s kind of gratifying to tell a client “As I explained, I don’t have what I need to do it the right way, so I did it the wrong way, just like you instructed me to.”

SonOfSpam
blaxabbath

Similar — I don’t like fighting but it’s not off the table. And I’m definitely not undefeated in my fight record.

What frustrates me is, since my dad had a “heavy hand”, my instinct in most matters is to throw someone through a sheet of drywall. But I have no faith that my instincts are good now, because of how often I *know* the situation calls for violence but I second guess myself.

But you do you.

Brick Meathook

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Sharkbait

I got into a fight in 6th grade. My parents saw it coming miles away. They warned the school that this kid and his crew were dicks. Nothing was done. I was told in no uncertain term that I was to start a fight. However, I was allowed to finish one.

I eventually take one in the face, I charge and swing. I dont know how many I landed, but I remember coming home from school, telling my mom I got into a fight and then being taken out to dinner because I defended myself.

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Gumbygirl

I bought my son ice cream when he got suspended for punching out the kid who had been tormenting him the whole year in 4th grade. His teacher met me in the hall outside the principal’s office when I went to take him home, we high- fived each other. Ben started taking Tang Soo Do the next year, he never had a problem like that again.

2Pack

Kids as young as yours get involved in Karate. Oldest is a 4th Don black belt who started at age 11, youngest is a 3rd Don who started at 6. Oldest teaches kids that age. It teaches defense reaction techniques that will make most bullies look stupid, keep your kid safe, all without him having to go full blown dismounted knuckle drill on some turd.

Don T

The Deacon has a crew at school AND great instincts. He’s equipped! Great parenting.

jjfozz

oh damn, just read the post – sorry a little woozy – good on your son for taking action and being smart.

i was bullied mercilessy as a kid, and it fucked up how i realte to other dudes. fucking crazy.

you tell him I said, “Good on you.’ and buy him a Blow Pop. Fuck it, buy him two.

jjfozz

Beer and bourbon tnight, no pills. Maybe tomorrow. Go sabrers!

Mr. Ayo

I stand with Brick. Get those pills involved, STAT!

Gumbygirl

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Fronkenshteen

Great piece, Rev. I sincerely envy the way you were able to contain your emotions in a situation like this. I’m so broken and stupid I have the urge to somehow avenge your son myself. Kids at school shouldn’t be targets of opportunity for shit heads of any stripe. I salute your civilized approach to rectifying a lousy situation and hope your son has put this behind him.

Rikki-Tikki-Deadly

I’m so broken and stupid I have the urge to somehow avenge your son myself.

If that makes one broken and stupid, then I guess you and I should start a club. We’ll call it B&S Anonymous.

Doktor Zymm

Now that I think about it, don’t martial arts classes teach all that stuff? And there are plenty available for kids, plus exercise!

Doktor Zymm

I meant the proportional response stuff, discipline and all that. It’s been a focus in every martial arts class I’ve ever taken, and that includes one Tae Kwon Do class in Korea where it was me, my friend, and 30 kids under 8 who were way better at everything than I was lol

2Pack

This right here.

Horatio Cornblower

I grew up in the 70’s, so when I was being bullied in something like first grade by a second grader my father just told me that bullies were cowards and that if I punched him in the face he would find someone else to pick on.

So the next time he shoved me I punched him in the face and he did indeed leave me alone and probably started picking on some other kid, but that wasn’t my problem, because it was 1975 and I had a coal mining job after school.

I don’t know where I was going with this. The 70’s were wild.

SonOfSpam

“The 70’s were wild.”

I remember wearing maroon jeans as a 6 or 7 year old.

ballsofsteelandfury

Husky?

No shame. I wore those.

SonOfSpam

I was a skinny little bastard until about 24.

By that time, I had been in a desk job for a couple years, probably just a coincidence.

SonOfSpam

Mike Tyson’s quote was actually “Everyone has a plan until Robin Givens says no, I don’t want you do that, then you just do that anyway. Now kith.”

As for the kid, you’re doing great, he’ll be fine. If possible, teach a few really really basic things, like heel-of-hand-up-into-nose, and if you decide to start punching, don’t hesitate until one of you is incapacitated. Actually, never mind, I’m making it worse.

King Hippo

Did they ever make MOAR of Mike Tyson Mysteries? I assumed after Norm died, that was that. But that shit was HILARIOUS. Jim Rash, Norm MacDonald, Iron Mike. How could it NOT BE??

SonOfSpam

I think it was short-lived, like Norm.

Mike Tyson is both an incredibly simple and incredibly complicated fella.

scotchnaut

To be fair, Ducks vs Golden Knights sounds like a battle that a Dungeon Master has set up-members of the winning team get handjobs from their Grade 12 crush that is a Fire Demon. Will their oak branch penises stand the heat?…

Mr. Ayo

lol Habs

King Hippo

#BastardManProphet

ballsofsteelandfury

My advice to give to your son:

Don’t start anything, but you should most definitely end it.

Yes, I did get into a fight in elementary school and I never had any problems after I ended what another guy started.

And thank you for pointing out the Great Lie.

Redshirt

That is exactly what my grandfather told his parents when the cops took him home after a bar fight.

“Your brother, we could see starting a fight, but you?!”
“Mom, Dad, I didn’t start a fight, they did. I finished it.”

Doktor Zymm

Honestly, sounds like you’ve thought it through and just need to translate what you just wrote into 5yo. Kids pick up all sorts of stuff so you may not even need to dumb it down as much as you think, from what you said about his reactions he has a good foundation.

Maybe introduce him to some strategy video games?

herodotus450

yahoo! sprots headline:
“Jason Collins, an LGBT Trailblazer in the NBA, dies at 47”
…and I didnt even know he played for Portland!

scotchnaut

“That’s really dark. Seriously.”

-Ad Reinhardt

Downfield Matriculator

Rev, you may not want to take parenting advice from a guy who apparently also wanks it in front of womens sans request or consent, but this bit from Louis CK always helped me when when my kids had altercations with “Jizanthapus” kids. It made me laugh and mellow out instead of hunting down shitty parents and their shitty offspring when they drag your kid into their dysfunction.

https://youtu.be/cwZRpH-lHSA?si=mvL6RZ36zM1Y8Gnb

Rikki-Tikki-Deadly

The “Bully” episode of his show is really good.

Just wish he had realized that cornering women and masturbating in front of them was also a form of bullying.

Doktor Zymm

Yeah, ‘just find someone else that YOU can bully’ is nawt really the takeaway we want anyone to get

Redshirt

I can’t tell if the Chiefs are trying to insult Cincinnati or entice us.

Moreover, I wouldn’t mind trying this Skyline Bread Bowl.

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scotchnaut

The pic looks like Carrot Top ignored Icarus’ lesson and flew too close to the sun.

NotShogunButShogun

THIS TRAINEE I CALL GOLDILOCKS. HE WANTS EVERYTHING JUST RIGHT AND I’M ABOUT TO KILL HIM FOR BEING IN MY DOJO.
*he bald* DON’T YOU START

BC Dick

Hmm. Tight fist, hip drive, punch him til he hits the ground. Then stop unless he wants more. Easy proportional response.
If the ass hat doesn’t learn, I’d say get a bunch of nickels and a sock. Find nose. Really at 5 they can’t hurt each other too badly.

Rikki-Tikki-Deadly

And even if they do the justice system won’t punish them *that* badly…

Doktor Zymm

*As long as they’re white

scotchnaut

What does the score between Buffalo and Montreal in the 1st period have in common with Polaroids of Betty Page in the 1960’s?

Gumbygirl

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scotchnaut

They’re All Tied Up!

/I’m here all week, all month, all decade apparently

Redshirt

They are underneath boys’ mattresses?

Mr. Ayo

Ice VAR has broken contain!!!

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