On Sin, Forgiveness and Apples: Tuesday Open Thread

Apologies in advance- religious discussion incoming. Please feel free to skip. It represents the fairly heretical views of the author only, and not particularly intelligent views at that. If you find this offensive for any reason, please take comfort in the following:

1. I am not intending to offend. That’s way too much effort.

2. My education is sparse and questionable, to the extent that I actually understand the major Christian schisms way better than Talmudic commentary

3.  I am most likely wrong,

Additionally, please note that “Jews” and “the State of Israel” are not synonymous. I am one of the majority of American Jews who was taught that “Never Again” applied to genocide against anyone, no matter who it was perpetrated by. If Thursday is the Day of Judgment and Bibi is still upright at the end of it, God has some questions to answer.

Strange times at the Mayhem House. The period between Rosh Hashanah (start of the year) and Yom Kippur (The Big Sorry) is a weird liminal space for many Jews, including shitty ones like me. The “Ten Days of Awe” are a period for reflection, repentance and seeking to make amends for the wrongs you previously committed- all good concepts! And getting all your confession and expiation done for the year in a single day? Take that, Catholicism!

However, ancient rabbincal authorities decided to up the ante by deciding that God opens the Book of Life for the coming year on Rosh Hashanah and determining whether you’re going to die that year. Fair play to God- He’s eternal, omnipotent and omnipresent, but getting the busywork out of the way at the start of the year is just a good strategy overall. Here’s the complication those ancient rabbis introduced: if you repent hard enough, God might CHANGE HIS MIND and decide NOT to strike you down that year.

That’s right. There is One Weird Trick that can subvert the Divine Will.

To the credit of the well-meaning parents who taught our religious school classes growing up, they never actually kicked me out. In a religion that values education and a legalistic interpretation of holy scripture, it’s not surprising that relatively young kids will ask Very Difficult Questions in Hebrew School.

But even 8 year-old me spotted that this was kind of bullshit. So when I asked “Since God knows everything ahead of time, how can He change his mind? Like, why didn’t He just make the right decision in the first place?” I was politely but firmly directed to shut up and eat my apples and honey.

Being a pedantic little shit even back then, I kept asking the question whenever this comes up during the Torah (“Old Testament” for you splitter Christians). Hell, Abraham straight up NEGOTIATES with God about the destruction of Sodom (moving the line for sparing the city from 50 righteous men to 10). That doesn’t seem like the actions of a being with full foreknowledge of all facts, circumstances and occurrences. Never did get a satisfactory answer- even if He did give us free will, he would still know what choice we were going to make, right?

It wasn’t until high school that I learned that pursuing this line of reasoning to its logical end is how you get Calvinists.

I’m still uneasy in my faith, but I find it is still worth exploring. I find value in many teachings of Judaism, even as they are contradicted by other parts of the Torah (The Book of Joshua is a horror show). And I refuse to believe that damnation awaits any person who uses the basic reasoning God gave them to analyze the rules we are told to live under.

But for now, I ask forgiveness. Because what’s the downside?

NFL NEWS:

-Speaking of divine retribution, Tyreek Hill is out for at least the year after sustaining what certainly looked like the Full Willis McGahee on his knee. Not so funny when it’s your limb getting pulped, is it Tyreek?

-Jaguars head coach Liam Coen and Niners defensive coordinator Robert Saleh got into it postgame, in response to Saleh’s comments about Coen’s skills at “legal sign stealing”. Apparently a man of such upstanding and honest character as Liam Coen couldn’t abide even an allegation of legal conduct. The exchange, per CBS Sports:

Coen: “Keep my name out of your mouth. Keep my name out of your mouth. Keep my name out of your f—ing mouth.”

Saleh: “I was trying to compliment your ass. I will f— your world up. You don’t wanna f— with me. I will f—ing end your f–ing life.”

Two things:

a. Liam Coen is a sniveling, cowardly fuckface. He was a pissant even before his Dishonest Sneaky Horseshit around returning to the Bucs versus taking the Jaguars head coaching job. Afterward, he’s got about as much credibility as a Trump Administration trade negotiator. Saleh could have called him a midfield sheepfucker and I’d have kept an eye on the 50 yard line all game.

b. On the note of credibility, I 100% believe Robert Saleh would comprehensively destroy a man’s entire existence if given adequate provocation. Like, full out John Wick. Zero doubt.

-The Cleveland Browns are starting to work their way down the World’s Longest QB Depth Chart, apparently benching Ancient Joe Flacco in favor of fun-size rookie Dillon Gabriel. I get it- Kevin Stefanski needs to look like he’s doing something (see my diatribe about the New York Giants last week) to have any hope of keeping his job, and plugging in a rookie QB is a cheap and proven way to try to juice the ratings. But his first game will be in London, against a still-very-stout-against-the-pass Vikings team. The team will basically be making excuses for him from the first snap of his first game.

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Redshirt

Honestly losing 10-5 is more than I could’ve hoped for.

Rikki-Tikki-Deadly

It got *way* too interesting in the 8th inning.

Redshirt

(turns on the DFO Signal)

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Unsurprised

Oh, wait. I have to go to Cincinnati.

Pass.

Sharkbait

What’s worse. Skyline chili in Cincinnati

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or Altoona Pizza:

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BrettFavresColonoscopy

Worse tasting or worse for your asshole?

Rikki-Tikki-Deadly

The latter because if I’m going to be putting that into one of my body’s orifices, it sure as hell isn’t going to be my mouth.

WCS

I will fight for Ohio Valley-style pizzd die on its hill.

The second is… sad. Just, like, “ya didn’t understand the assignment, huh?” vibes. That’s not pizza, it’s a backwards grilled cheese.

ArmedandHammered

This shit makes 70’s era school pizza look gourmet.

blaxabbath

Damn dude — LA fans are cleared out of there at the bottom of the 8th.

Or they just still haven’t arrived yet.

blaxabbath

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blaxabbath

I just turned on the game and this dude is in a red sweatshirt in the dugout. It reads, “Born to Fall”. His team is down 10 to 5.

Falling, 10 to 5, if you will.

blaxabbath

Also haven’t seen the John Wicks. Don’t know if they should be watched together; or will I enjoy having a different one to go to at a later date when I need to scratch a viewing itch?

Unsurprised

First one is good. Second one is pretty good. You can pass on 3, 4, and Ballerina.

BeefReeferLives

I just can’t square the idea of the existence of an omniscient, omnipotent, omnibenevolent god and human suffering.

That being said, any religion that doesn’t have an active conversion agenda is much less annoying & thereby far superior to those that do, IMHO.

Fronkenshteen

The Bengals are going to trade for a QB soon that is going to rescue thousands of fantasy squads. My favorite of all the candidates is Jameis Winston. Kirk Cousins would earnestly try to win games, while throwing the keys to Cincy’s WR corps to ol’ Fameis Jameis would look like this:
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Redshirt

It should be Winston. It will be Wilson.

blaxabbath

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WCS

Let’s get Russ on every AFC North team before he retires!

Rikki-Tikki-Deadly

That’s been Geno Smith’s attitude in Vegas. Personally I am loving that innumerable Raiders fans who bitch and moan incessantly that “the playcalling is too conservative” have had their monkey’s paw wish fulfilled.

BrettFavresColonoscopy

Hey, I also find it hard to find logic/give a shit this time of year but still do it any way out of guilt and the fact that the self reflection is valuable.

Senor Weaselo

Luke Weaver, please report to the Shadow Realm. Luke Weaver to the Shadow Realm.

BeefReeferLives

Love me some bong rattling bass…

Rikki-Tikki-Deadly
Sharkbait
SonOfSpam

Ohtani’s 2nd HR went 454 feet. Probably heard me call him a pussy downthread and got his ass motivated.

Hopefully the Redlegs do a little better tomorrow.

ThurberHerder

“…how you get calvinists” is kinda like “how you get ants”. I better go put something back in the fridge

BeefReeferLives

Nice. Reeeeal nice, NYT.

This is, apparently, the new style guide for the NYT & WaPo when reporting on republicans:

https://www.mcsweeneys.net/articles/an-interactive-guide-to-ambiguous-grammar

Rikki-Tikki-Deadly

Has there been a better catchphrase than Sledge Hammer’s “Trust me, I know what I’m doing”?

/ooh, draft idea?

Rikki-Tikki-Deadly

Jesus Jones evidently didn’t think so.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CK3C9XZcTbM

Doktor Zymm

God is supposed to be unknowable, which seems like it would be both a blessing and a curse to religion teachers. Blessing because they can get out of most questions by saying we can’t understand God’s will, but curse because it makes it difficult to answer questions like “then how do we know God cares about me cursing or having impure thoughts, isn’t it just a bunch of stuffy old men who have been dead for centuries who cared?”

blaxabbath

Well, something to be said for trying to avoid having impure thoughts — particularly when compared to young men happy to live on the internet

Doktor Zymm

There are plenty of arguments both for and against the morality teachings of religion, but “it’s what God wants” just isn’t a very convincing one

BeefReeferLives

& kinda funny how “what God wants” usually turns out to be what stuffy old men want.

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blaxabbath

Man I want to see Robert Saleh Fightin’ ’round the NFL.

Redshirt

…and here’s comes the inevitable…

SonOfSpam

pretzels?

Jimbo

Beer?

Rikki-Tikki-Deadly

Attractive cousins?

NotShogunButShogun

As a former CPS worker and lifelong social worker no matter what job I have, all I can say about Mr. Hill is: Good.
I hope it never heals. May he die alone, unmourned, and unloved.

blaxabbath

“Because you lost some sports bet?! These negative comments about athletes had for to stop!”

-President Kiddie Rapist

Redshirt

At least we won’t be no-hit.

Rikki-Tikki-Deadly

I have watched this play maybe two dozen times now and I still can’t believe it’s not the Jets, Bears, Browns, or Raiders.

https://www.reddit.com/r/nfl/comments/1nuikju/highlight_texans_ol_quadrupleteams_dt_james_lynch/

Redshirt

I’ve seen worse…

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jjfozz

Around here, kind of north of where i live, there are people who raise and ride horses.

so the cool thing is to wear your riding pants and boots so everyone knows you’re rich and ride horses

i hate these people

tonight, i followed one home and let all of their horses out, and stole one. so, who wants to buy a horse for cheap?

Doktor Zymm

I wear my riding pants and boots around because I don’t have time to change and then I just try to keep moving so no one else in the grocery store gets more than a quick whiff of sweat and horse mud

blaxabbath

It’s all about perceptions. When Fozz is out looking for assholes, his focus finds assholes — and he, as always, finds his own biases correct.

When he starts looking for goofoffs who are nice people “but the horse getup sure puts you in a group of company lol”, then he’ll start discovering he sees harmless goofs enjoying their equine equivalent of atheleisure.

Then he will find peace and calm.

And then he will squeeze the trigger.

jjfozz

You know me so well.

blaxabbath

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BeefReeferLives

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blaxabbath

I never saw those movies. I was thinking like when it gets cold and I get a day alone.

I figure I need to see the third one, even though everyone says it’s less good. If there are any after/prequals/direct-to-dvd etc, I don’t care to explore the Godfather Universe.

Rikki-Tikki-Deadly

[tunes in to end of Yankees-Red Sox game]

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fleshwound_NPG

watching fever/aces gm 5 since the reds have already exceeded their limits and also provided enough of an offering (lol mets)

fleshwound_NPG

lol espn2 finally cutoff reds/dodgers

…seconds before ohtani blasted one

SonOfSpam

Pussy, didn’t even get to 120 mph.

Rikki-Tikki-Deadly
Jimbo

Oh no it’s the Reds, history repeating itself. 

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SonOfSpam

I guess Aroldis has still got it*

*reliable steroid dealer

LemonJello

Now would a perfect time for The Rupture to occur.

Jimbo

I’m sure there’s a Taco Bell in town.

litre_cola

His name can’t really be Jazz.

Jimbo

It’s actually smooth Jazz but he shortens it.

litre_cola

Jasrado Prince Hermis Arrington Chisholm….. JUnIOr!

SonOfSpam

Jizz Chasholm

Redshirt

Chapman pitched more than an inning? Okay…

fleshwound_NPG

FACK YOU, YANKEE BULLPEN

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blaxabbath

Here’s hoping the American Airlines flight I missed today slams into their dugout.

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herodotus450

Minnesoteran Karil Kaprisov signed a contract making him the highest paid player in the NHL at 17 million per season, which gets him within spittin distance of your typical 6th man in the NBA.

LemonJello

And how does this affect the Leafs path to the Stanley Cup?

scotchnaut

“He wouldn’t be a Jewish god if he didn’t waffle a little bit.”

-Larry David

Redshirt

They did it. They actually did it. I get to watch the Reds play in October! (Likely only one game on October 1st, but still counts.)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5IyngX5mojc&list=RD5IyngX5mojc&start_radio=1&pp=ygUaaHVudCBmb3IgcmVkIG9jdG9iZXIgdGhlbWWgBwE%3D

Redshirt

…and Boston-New York is running over. Sure, MLB, let’s run four games in one day!

LemonJello

“OUW-AH BAWLGAME IS MO-AH IMPOHTAHNT THAN YOU-AH BAWLGAME. NO ONE DENIES THIS!”

fleshwound_NPG

fittingly wearing this right now, comrade (with a nice autumnal fancy brown leather strap)

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herodotus450

Could probably pick up a lotta fat American women with that!
/note this is a reference to the movie; I am in no way in favor of fat chicks

LemonJello

How radioactive is it?

SonOfSpam

As a lapsed Catholic, I always felt like Judaism was “Catholicism without stupid emotional stuff” but then that’s probably wrong for a lot of reasons. Anyway, one difference is that Jews can become adults at 13, whereas priests think Catholic boys are fair game at 6 or 7. Another seems to be that Catholics believe in a specific vision of heaven, and Jews are (shrug) we’ll see. But I always liked that both religions guilt-trip the shit out of you, and that try as you might, you’ll probably fall short of being worthy. Much better than the “Say the secret phrase and you’re all set” crap that today’s Christianity preaches. Nope, you gotta rise and grind every day bitches. Thy will be done.

Redshirt

I always felt that Catholism was Christianity with extra steps and barriers to separate me from God. “No, you can’t confess your sins to God or Jesus, only to me.” “Only Catholics can get communion; non-Catholics can only be blessed.”

SonOfSpam

There’s this whole…thing you gotta do before you get the wafer.

As for confession, hey, they can’t have (adult) sex, so this is how the priests get their jollies.

ballsofsteelandfury

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Doktor Zymm

I was always chuffed that we got all the Jewish holidays off school. Also went to some really fun Passover celebrations and Jewish weddings, so my main impressions of Judaism have always been that it’s a very flexible religion that can throw a good party. The ultra-Orthodox are pretty awful, but thats true of any sort of extremist.

Doktor Zymm

Oh, and some of the long running debates over fine points of dietary law and such are fascinating

BrettFavresColonoscopy

My mom always told me the difference between Jews and Christians is that we weren’t dumb enough to believe that Mary was a virgin.

fleshwound_NPG

-accidentally dropping a bucket of KFC
-county fair putting crap in a fryer
-yankees bullpen

name me 3 things that wasted a good Fried offering

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LemonJello

Dropping a bucket of KFC will have Andy Reid recommending the Hague arrest you for crimes against humanity.

litre_cola

I get it once a year (usually when Mrs.Cola is gone) and pay for it for a couple days after, so much salt.