BattleBots Beat: Gibson’s Law

Welcome back to the Beat! Well, last week we got the fight that I’m pencilling in as Letdown of the Year. May we get the true hammer-saw battle someday soon. We get something entirely different to start here. To the fights!

Riptide vs. Captain Shrederator
Riptide: 2-0 (W, KO 0:47 vs. Glitch; W, KO 1:01 vs. MadCatter)
Captain Shrederator: (L, KO 2:38 vs. Quantum; W, KO 2:22 vs. HiJinx)

Riptide’s been on an absolute tear, and no reason why this should stop against the often mercurial Captain Shrederator. A win here and Riptide goes to 3-0 and in line with a top-4 seed. A win for Shrederator here probably locks them in as well regardless of a fight against Jackpot which could just be gravy/seeding.

You better watch this, because the robot-watching community is up in arms:

So, why is everyone pissed? That’s some brilliant damage that cracked Shrederator’s shell. Because those are a cavalcade of late hits. Ethan Kurtz said, on camera, that they knew that Captain Shrederator cannot self-right if inverted. It’s not like Gigabyte, where there’s a srimech pipe. Shrederator gets flipped, fight over. Yes, it was spinning, but that’s not translational movement. Fight was over. You can hear Nicholas Nave say that that was a lot of unnecessary damage, and the ref, who’s John Remar, the head ref and one of the VPs, said they’d already gotten a warning, presumably from ripping off a wedgelet from an already defeated MadCatter. (Fun fact, production has asked the roboteers to not go after pieces/shrapnel of robot because of safety, I imagine especially for high-kinetic weapons. You know, like wedgelets.) So there’s a precedent of habitual line-stepping.

There’s no on-the-books rule against wailing on an incapacitated opponent, but to quote one Greg Gibson of Yeti, “Don’t be a dick!” Or to quote Ian Lewis of Warhead and Razer, “Some of us are gentlemen, some of us hold back. Now, if you’re out of control… you don’t just go for it, do you? It’s a gentlemen’s agreement.” It’s generally highly frowned upon on account that nobody’s making money here, so the extra repairs are coming out of someone’s pocket. From what Brian Nave said, to the tune of 10 grand. The seemingly impossible and admittedly probably about time is going to happen: they’re going to ground-up redesign Shrederator in the offseason. I mean, it is a 20-year-old design even if it’s been tweaked so that part’s the about time portion.

Riptide wins by KO and everyone and their mother will be rooting for Black Dragon in their last fight. Captain Shrederator, at 1-2, will need to beat Jackpot.

Mammoth vs. Death Roll
Mammoth: 1-1 (L, KO 1:45 vs. Valkyrie; W, JD 3-0 vs. Starchild)
Death Roll: 1-1 (L, KO 1:27 vs. Cobalt; W, KO 1:44 vs. Switchback)

Mammoth was having chain and armor issues, so who knows if they’ll be at 100%? They made it in the box though, with a half Tegris, half UHMW weapon. I don’t think it’s due to dire straits but to try and get the best of both worlds. They were running their interior forks to try and get under the very bouncy Death Roll.

Death Roll had a much better fight against Switchback than its getting dominated by Cobalt’s ground game, but Switchback’s not a bot that everyone was rushing to put in the tournament. Mammoth, on the other hand is in that mix, so this is an important fight for Death Roll to show that yes, they’re still legit.

Death Roll came to rush and get in under the lifter of Mammoth, and slowly got to the struts. They pushed Mammoth’s back under the screws, then worked on the left wheel. A few hits and the wheel was gone, and Mammoth was not going to move.

Death Roll by KO. It’s what the doctor ordered and with a fight against Monsoon to end it, they could be okay as long as it’s a good fight. Mammoth at 1-2 definitely needs a win over Kraken to avoid being on the outside.

Banshee vs. Emulsifier
Banshee: 1-1 (L, JD 3-0 vs. Switchback; W, JD 3-0 vs. Valkyrie)
Emulsifier: 0-2 (L, JD 3-0 vs. Fusion; L, KO 1:52 vs. Malice)

Both needs need a good performance. Banshee’s 1-1, with an upset win over Valkyrie, but has a total of like 1 flip. Emulsifier’s hit hard as Malice can attest to, but is 0-2, with nothing to show for it.

Banshee made some compression upgrades, hopefully to get some more flips in. Emulsifier was with a new forks setup, but with only one fork—there was a problem with two apparently, whether weight or purchase.

Banshee didn’t really rush, and Emulsifier after spinning around was able to get to the side armor. Banshee got under Emulsifier but couldn’t get enough leverage to get a flip going, because Banshee kind of had to try and hit and run. Emulsifier was gyroing, but this scared Banshee off more than anything. The flipper was still not flipping but finally the wheels stopped.

Emulsifier wins by KO and saves its season, for now. They get Quantum next though, so a win there absolutely gets them in. Banshee, at 1-2, is still in the hunt, but definitely needs a win over Blip in another flipper battle.

Copperhead vs. Kraken
Copperhead: 2-0 (W, KO 0:35 vs. Bloodsport; W, JD* 3-0 vs. Triton)
Kraken: 0-2 (L, JD 3-0 vs. Beta; L, JD 3-0 vs. Lucky)

Copperhead is 2-0 with two quick KOs (one being a double KO so I guess three KOs), continuing the same frame because it’s an absolute brick. In this case, also a little extra top armor. Kraken’s had brushless motor teething pains, in addition to being a new design, which is why they’re 2-0. But so far, it’s still made the bell.

Kraken rushed, but spun itself out. Well, the drive works, but maybe too much as Copperhead was able to shred away at the squirrelly Kraken, and put it under the pulverizer. And then Kraken kinda spun itself out. The weapon was okay, as it tried to get itself up, and Copperhead helped it get up. By putting it in the screws. Kraken got up but you could see the frame a bit askew. One wheel if anything was spinning, and that just wasn’t enough traction.

Copperhead wins by KO, but hey, Kraken lasted 1:26. Copperhead (3-0) gets Ripperoni, not Riptide. Damn, that could have been a battle for the 2-seed. Kraken (0-3) gets to play spoiler against Mammoth.

Horizon vs. Shatter!
Horizon: 0-2 (L, JD 3-0 vs. Shreddit Bro; L, KO 0:51 vs. Monsoon)
Shatter!: 0-2 (L, KO 2:00 vs. HUGE; L, JD 3-0 vs. Beta)

Both bots are winless. Horizon’s been a cool idea, but has not worked. Shatter!’s had a tough schedule, so this is absolutely a must-win, because on paper this should be their gimme fight. Horizon’s team say that the innovative spinning arm should work now, which is crucial, or they might not get accepted next year. They’ve got Tegris armor on top of everything to prevent Shatter! from getting in. Shatter! doesn’t have anything fancier than usual, no Mary Special, just plans to poiund.

Sunrise the minibot (formerly Chronos’s Timeline) was okay to try and thwart Shatter! except they went around and had no effect. But Horizon had the first bite as Shatter! missed at first, and kept missing, just a little late on the hammer strike leading to more and more fancy recoil movements, including spinning itself onto the Deck. Horizon getting its arm working also was enough to repel the attack, because it was slicing into the ablative armor.

Shatter! finally landed a big shot, but it was mostly glancing given that the recoil flipped them over the protective taco on Horizon. The power was there for the Brooklyn hammerbot, but the drive was having issues. They did add power, but at what cost?

Finally in the last 45, one of the disks stopped and Shatter! finally started going on a prolonged offensive, including one final flurry as time expired and it would go to the judges.

Damage: Cuts to the ablative armor, vs. disk damage. Ablative is more than just cosmetic, but that’s only half, so that’s diminished not eliminated. The Tegris on Horizon held up enough as well. For me the drive being a little wonky goes 3-2 Horizon.
Aggression: Even to me, could go either way. I’d say Horizon was running away in the latter stages, which Eric Wrigley yelled out. I’d go 2-1 Shatter!, mainly because Shatter! didn’t have enough prolonged aggression (due to their kickback issues)
Control: Shatter! had the last 45-60 seconds, but not much control elsewhere. I go 2-1 Horizon.

It was a split decision. Fon for Horizon, Derek for Shatter!, Lisa for Horizon.

Horizon wins by split. Eric Wrigley was not happy because they kept running away, and Shatter! appeals. They can’t go 0-3. And for the first time, the decision was upheld. All three judges had control 2-1 Horizon, though they were split in damage and aggression. So I had it scored similarly to the judges.

Horizon gets Triton in their finale, and would in my eyes need a win to get on the bubble. Shatter!’s 0-3, and with only Ominous left, even with a win they’re probably on the outside looking in. Speaking of Ominous…

Ominous vs. Shreddit Bro
Ominous: 0-1 (L, KO 2:46 vs. Claw Viper)
Shreddit Bro: 1-0 (W, JD 3-0 vs. Horizon)

Well, one of the NYC bots has a win, and it’s the 1-0 Shreddit Bro. (Over Horizon, so again a point for the Staten Island team.) They’ve swapped the wheels so they’ll hopefully have better traction. Well, they’d be hard-pressed to have worse. Meanwhile, we haven’t seen much of Ominous, because it’s 0-1 and got bodied by Claw Viper.

New wheels or not, Shreddit Bro’s traction still wasn’t great. But it delivered a big hit as it turned around across to meet Ominous, flipped it over, and then it kicked off the wall and back up. Hey, it’s a nice hit.

However, this killed Shreddit Bro’s weapon. So it tried to push and Ominous tried to evade, as its weapon worked intermittently. And then Shreddit Bro’s left side got caught, and I guess briefly high-centered as they spun around and then were okay. And then, it was less okay, or it was still high-centered. It was still trying to push but again, no real traction. It would go to the judges, which would be a differently tough fight.

Let’s put it this way, they did a plug for the next fight, during this fight.

Damage: I guess 3-2 Ominous since its weapon still was spinning?
Aggression: I’d go 2-1 Shreddit Bro, as it… attempted to be aggressive? Ominous was mostly running around.
Control: 2-1… Ominous, I guess.

Ominous wins by unanimous decision. According to the BattleBots Twitter, Shreddit Bro appealed the decision. As it wasn’t mentioned, the decision was upheld.

Ominous is 1-1 and gets Switchback next. Shreddit Bro, also 1-1, fights Lucky next.

Main Event: Whiplash vs. Monsoon
Whiplash: 0-2 (L, KO 1:57 vs. MadCatter; L, KO 1:48 vs. HyperShock)
Monsoon: 1-1 (L, KO 2:05 vs. Black Dragon; W, KO 0:51 vs. Horizon)

That would be tough, Whiplash going 0-3 and then having to go up against Tantrum. They’d be up against that with a loss to Monsoon. But hey, Jason Vasquez is back to help! So they’re full staffed! (This is still not saying much relative to others, as it’s the four members of the Vasquez family, as opposed to the severals if not tens of people some crews have.) Monsoon’s 1-1, the loss to Black Dragon because Tom Brewster drove over a bolt, the win over Horizon pretty cut and dry. Yeah, that bolt hurts, because they were winning that fight. A win here and they’re back on track for an upper seed in my eyes.

Whiplash rushed and pushed Monsoon into the corner. It was getting its forks under and getting flips on Monsoon. But Monsoon got its own flip with its big disk, though Whiplash was of course able to self-right. But their disk had stopped. Sure, the lifter’s the money-maker but that’s still effectiveness. But Whiplash was still getting into it, going nose to nose, though Monsoon was making showers of sparks on Whiplash’s plot. But undeterred, Whiplash kept pushing. But their forks were bent up.

This didn’t matter as they pushed Monsoon to the pulverizer. In the last 30 or so the disk was spinning again, showing much needed functionality and potentially stealing points back and continued to push, but the drive was looking a little worse for wear by the end of the fight. This would go to the judges.

Damage: Minimal damage to Monsoon, but Whiplash with fork damage and diminished drive. I go 3-2 Monsoon. You could argue 4-1.
Aggression: Definitely won by Whiplash, I’d say 2-1
Control: Whiplash, either 2-1 or 3-0.

It was a split decision. Lisa for Monsoon, Fon for Whiplash, Derek for Whiplash.

Whiplash wins by split decision. I think I’m with it too, but yeah, it’s close. Whiplash now gets Tantrum, while Monsoon gets Death Roll. But hold on! As BattleBots mentioned, Monsoon appealed the decision, so that makes three appeals!

And they’d go 0/3, as the decision was upheld, and what’s worse, changed to unanimous decision.

So, we’re on break for the next couple weeks thanks to Smarch Smadness, but we’ll do… something. For one, there’s a bubble to watch! So with that, we’ll still see you next week!

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Rikki-Tikki-Deadly

New thread up.

scotchnaut

If I’m reading the schedule correctly, there’s no basketball to be had for one minute! Feeling like that kid that drove the wrong-colored Bentley right now…

King Hippo

I took that minute to piss and feed the cat

King Hippo

Gov. Rhodes Brasilian pizza boy buckled

WCS

My Hippo To Yinzer dictionary doesn’t have this entry.

Horatio Cornblower

One of the Arsenal players did a bad.

scotchnaut

Announcer is Jim Jackson? That guy was such a beast in college-made everyone look silly.

King Hippo

Gooners to pennos, I don’t speak Español well enough to know if Sporting can opt to have them taken from halfcourt

Horatio Cornblower

Just got an advantage off a red card, too.

Oh well, leave it to the fates. Much rather focus on the Premier and stop playing mid-week.

King Hippo

I’ve always wondered if they have to forfeit the 11th kick if shootout gets that far

Rikki-Tikki-Deadly

RIKKI-TIKKI-DEADLY: [checks bracket, sees that he should be rooting for Arkansas, looks at score, feels somewhat comfortable]

ILLINOIS: [immediately cuts the lead to 5]

King Hippo

Think of all the sex Princeton Headband Guy gets to have with rich coeds who hate their fathers. Dude is living RITE

Horatio Cornblower

Lights out, missionary, DO NOT MAKE EYE CONTACT!

scotchnaut

Kaylee: “One time, I got on top and after a while my legs starting shaking uncontrollably. I couldn’t see straight for a three days! Never Again.”

Counselor: “OMG, no!”

/exchange overheard at the “Stick To Your Own Weekend Sabbatical” sponsored by Coke

King Hippo

I love our ability to take any observation down such a dark and winding path.

blaxabbath

“Consentual? Where’s the sport in that!?”

-Headband Guy

blaxabbath

“Well yes, I am the heir to RITE-AID.”

– Headband Guy

Horatio Cornblower

Oh god we’re doing call-and-response team building stuff.

If anyone needs me I’ll be at the bottom of the lake.

WCS

Try to get a TRUMP POWER shout going.

Horatio Cornblower

Woman next to me is a Trumper.

King Hippo

Ooooh, get her talking about the Jews and 9/11

Horatio Cornblower

Mrs. Horatio is getting a better award and it’s absolutely killing the other woman.

Rikki-Tikki-Deadly

Tell the woman that it’s your wife’s reward for being so woke.

King Hippo

And that your penis is award #2

blaxabbath

Tell the woman your wife is a Jew.

Horatio Cornblower

She just asked how Mrs. H did so well and my wife said “I guess just by listening to the clients”

I am between them. This is not a safe space.

scotchnaut

Better award. Large doses of Ivermectin. Whatever.

blaxabbath

“It’s true. Jews are the worst.”

-Woman next to you immediately upon being prompted

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WCS

Tell her you have access Sean Hannity, Putin, and Trump’s secret Discord and text chain.

Rikki-Tikki-Deadly

I warned my dog not to sleep on Princeton…

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Horatio Cornblower

I hope I didn’t have Arizona going very far. As usual I’ve forgotten my Final Four three minutes after picking it.

scotchnaut

And Princeton’s trust fund grew three times that day.

Horatio Cornblower

Finally, the Ivy League gets a break.

WCS

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blaxabbath

I do feel good about not traveling out to that game.

blaxabbath

Be more fucking Gonzaga, Tommy Lloyd.

You know, I never even wanted to hire the guy.

Rikki-Tikki-Deadly

THIS NEVER WOULD HAVE HAPPENED IF THE WOKE MOB HADN’T STOLEN THE ELECTION FROM KARI LAKE!

blaxabbath

Goddamn — those are some PRINCETON ASS CHEERLEADERS.

Horatio Cornblower

“2, 4, 6, 8, let’s learn to conjugate!”

blaxabbath

You’re right.

Conjugations to Princeton on their victory.

blaxabbath

If UA gets upset, the lone reason is the Zona Sole sideline shirts.

Rikki-Tikki-Deadly

I’d love for Princeton to get the win here. It’d be nice to see something finally go right for once in the lives of those kids.

scotchnaut

I heard one of the starting guards for the team had to drive a cherry red Bentley for a week instead of the dark red Bentley that he eventually got. A Fricking Week!

blaxabbath

These WOKE REFS are sure keeping this game unnecessarily close.

Rikki-Tikki-Deadly

Which is funny because the two calls I’ve seen today that I thought were very questionable did the exact opposite.

blaxabbath

What do you know? You some kind of Yalie?

Rikki-Tikki-Deadly

I actually did go to Yale.

(to watch a tennis tournament)

Horatio Cornblower

They have a fine museum full of artifacts stolen from various Indigenous people, who probably would have just broken or lost them anyway

blaxabbath

“Bunch of heathen drunks…”

-Headband Guy

scotchnaut

“Headband Guy and the Four Rudy’s” keeping it close.

Don T

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Don T

Mark Davis and Qaron would be a monumental braintrust.
-Dr. Moreau

scotchnaut

Headband guy on Princeton has some skills. The other 4 guys on the floor are, um, “gritty hustlers”.

blaxabbath

I like how Princeton hustles. As a state school guy (obvi), I have to say that the few Ivys I have known, effectively, do not work. It’s not to say they don’t have jobs or aren’t professional/competent either — but there is no ownership to their work beyond the “I’m going to make X….” motivation. It’s just a mindset that, if I had to guess, comes from being secure in yourself and your situation (which I wish for everyone) that you don’t even give a cursory thought to inflicting hurt on yourself for as the ‘extra’ to win. This Tigers basketball team — they’re competing with some spunk.

I guess what I’m saying is: while winning is nice, you’re only truly defeating someone when they try.

King Hippo

Almost exclusively “old money”

blaxabbath

I don’t know so I won’t comment (but my prejudice is to agree). I will say I have likely not dealt with wealthy (only rich) alumns and — I don’t feel bad for them but, as someone who values grit and competition — there’s a reason the title of Twilight Zone episode is A Nice Place to Visit.

King Hippo

Oh, is mostly prejudice from me, too (but it tracks with the lawyer types I’ve met), fellow state school buddy-guy

blaxabbath

re: state school guy

Yes, I am familiar with your pillz use.

blaxabbath

All that to say, I think America is failing because this crowd is not absolutely slaying Princeton (or whoever is the Ivy rep) since tip-off. You can not like Arizona but it isn’t Duke — and it’s sure as hell isn’t the Princeton class.

College sports are a missed opportunity for change in America.

scotchnaut

Charleston fading down the stretch.

WCS

The Union blockade is working.

Gumbygirl

We used to go to the bars down by the C of C just to make fun of the asshole rich kids.

Horatio Cornblower

Bacon bar run

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King Hippo

There shall be no leftovers

WCS

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scotchnaut

Horatio is going to breathe heavily on a Jewish guy and say, “How do you like them apples?” after his 7th margarita. I’d bet on it.

Game Time Decision

Andy Reid Approved pre-appetiser pre-snack

King Hippo

HOLY CATS, that Sporting golazo!

Horatio Cornblower

Even Arsenal Twitter is saying it was a sensational goal.

King Hippo

Just inside of half court!

Horatio Cornblower

Some of the plastic surgery decisions here tonight are….debatable.

Gumbygirl

.

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Horatio Cornblower

She’s here

Horatio Cornblower

There is a bacon bar here.

This is promising

WCS

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Horatio Cornblower

O/U on how many of these free margaritas I put away tonight? I am not driving.

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WCS

Don’t disappoint us.

King Hippo

Put the “fun” back in functional alcoholic

WCS

One thing I was too good at!

King Hippo

To be unappreciated in one’s own time smgdh

blaxabbath

5

Game Time Decision

I’ll take the over
-Gamblor and Hippo and Litre

Gumbygirl

I took Gumby to my Christmas party when I worked for the Postal Service. All I can say is it was a very good thing I was an unfireable civil servant.

Rikki-Tikki-Deadly

Seven, and I’ll take the over.

King Hippo

This is good shoulder devil hustle

Don T

But those are thimble glasses. 9!

blaxabbath

Wow really?

Are they all watered down cuz they free?

blaxabbath

I like this Princeton fan girl they keep showing on TV. She’ll make for a fine ballwasher for the Don Jr when she reaches her career peak.

WCS

Kim Guilfoyle is going to be such a trainwreck of future ex-wife entertainment.

scotchnaut

Desperate Housewives of Failsons

Horatio Cornblower

As though she will live long enough. That’s a heart destined for a cocaine explosion.

blaxabbath

This is why I hope my Monday Morning Mock Draft topic is selected…..

blaxabbath

Not saying Princeton absolutely sucks but maybe these young men would be better off spending their time figuring our how to lobby for bank deregulation before crashing the entities they manage.

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Rikki-Tikki-Deadly

I assume Texas A&M CC stands for “Community College” and it suprises me a little bit to find out that there’s a distinction between that and the regular school.

King Hippo

The Human Beings!

LemonJello

“CC” = Clown College. Duh.

WCS

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Gumbygirl

CC= Cooch Cleavers. Oh wait, that’s Baylor.

Horatio Cornblower

Oh sure, now Nate Oats yells at his staff for not telling him what his players are up to.

Sharkbait

Coach Hall would never.

King Hippo

#SayItIsntSo

LemonJello

#ICantGoForThat

WCS
King Hippo

ROLL DAMN TIDE WOO!!!!

Horatio Cornblower

Not only do I have to put on pants, I have to put on a suit and go to an awards ceremony for my wife’s company, and you can bet your ass I’ll be cornering her boss and asking him what exactly it is he doesn’t;t understand about these two days in March.

BeefReeferLives

Don’t forget to constantly remind your better half just how much she owes you for this sacrifice you are making for her.

They just love that….

Horatio Cornblower

Even I’m not that dumb.

I did tell her, however, that it was probably why the expected attendance is WAY down this year.

Gumbygirl

Narrator: They do not love that.

Don T

That’s why you gotta add “But I will not lord it over you” 😉

Rikki-Tikki-Deadly

MRS. CORNBLOWER: [angrily taps her foot]

HORATIO: First you insisted on me accompanying you to this awards ceremony, now you’re angry that I’m ignoring everyone and everything and watching the games on my phone. Make up your mind!

Horatio Cornblower

Oh I’m finding a bar with a TV with a quickness once we get there.

WCS

If you’re careful, this entire weekend will turn into a four-day deep clean.

Rikki-Tikki-Deadly

We were in Palm Springs the last two nights. The Dr. Mrs. cleaned the floors before we left, because she “wanted to come home to a clean house.” The very first thing she did when we arrived home? Mopped the stairs.

LemonJello

Does she at least wear a uniform and yell at you in a French accent while doing all this cleaning?

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Gumbygirl

I should have married the Dr. Mrs. I would totally appreciate someone compulsively cleaning my floors, compared to Gumby, who…does not.

Horatio Cornblower

I think Alabama can easily beat this North Texas A&W Root Beer Float team, so long as they don’t do anything stupid and shoot themselves in the foot.

LemonJello

Themselves? Never. Errybody else better be ready to take cover, though.

King Hippo

(Clap clap) 2-A! (Clap clap)

Rikki-Tikki-Deadly

Are we doing March Madness commentary here?

blaxabbath

I am.

BeefReeferLives

& Darwin smiled.

“Just before 7 am on March 3, Danny Lemoi posted an update in his hugely popular pro-ivermectin Telegram group, Dirt Road Discussions: “HAPPY FRIDAY ALL YOU POISONOUS HORSE PASTE EATING SURVIVORS !!!”

Hours later, Lemoi was dead…from a common side effect of the medication.”

https://www.vice.com/en/article/z3mb89/ivermectin-danny-lemoi-death

Horatio Cornblower

This is very on brand for Foster, RI.

BeefReeferLives

& you might be thinking, “Jeez, Beef. Dancing on the graves of idiots is getting kind of old”. & I would have agreed with you… until I read this:

“Lemoi also formulated an ivermectin regimen for children, and numerous members of the group reported that they were using it. This week alone one member wrote that she had established another group for “parents of children on the spectrum, cerebral palsy, pans/panda, downs etc.,” who are using the Lemoi’s recommended children’s dosage. ”

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BrettFavresColonoscopy

Love the tags