“So Far, So Good” Said The Skydiver With No Parachute: 2023 Tampa Bay Buccaneers at the Bye (and Open Thread)

MAYHEM’S 2023 PREDICTION: “4-13. Look for Ryan Tannehill or Kirk Cousins to sign here next year if they don’t have the draft position for a top-tier QB.”

HOW’S THAT LOOKING?: Not great, Bob! The Bucs are currently 3-1, and that is their best-likely-case scenario. Sure, a radioactive cheese steak could have bitten Jalen Hurts and caused him to leave the Eagles for a life of crime-fighting, but that was about the only way Tampa was going to have a chance versus the Iggles.

So beating up on what looked to be soft targets (Bears, Saints) was absolutely necessary for them to have any chance at their division. But they also got by the Vikings, back when it was uncertain whether they would suck (which they do).

So how are they doing it? With defense, mostly a stingy-ass secondary. According to the Pro-Football Reference folks, Tampa blitzes on relatively high 38.8% of dropbacks, but only hurries the quarterback 6.1% of the time- very middling. What they do instead is knock the quarterback down a very high 10.1% of dropbacks, and get turnovers. Nearly a quarter of opponents’ drives have resulted in a turnover against Tampa, which is Bills-level. So well done them.

The offense has been Deeply Meh. Baker Mayfield won the starting job, and has kept it by being very un-Baker Mayfield. 7 TDs, 2 interceptions, passing short and at a career-high accuracy. Perhaps most importantly, he’s taking sacks on only 3.1% of dropbacks, less than half his career average. Dude is not playing Hero Ball (at least according to the stats) and it must be killing him. Mayfield-in-Cleveland was the new Rex Grossman, just waiting for a chance to Unleash the Dragon. Now he’s gone full Game Manager, and with healthy Mike Evans and Chris Godwin, that can be a very successful (if soul-destroying) place. Tampa still can’t run worth a damn- at 3 yards per attempt, they wallow at the bottom of the table with the Steelers, Texans and Raiders.

So can they Maintain? Of course not. That turnover rate is unsustainable- higher than the 2000 Ravens, who in turn bucked the overall trend of the best teams maxing out between 18 and 19%. And they’re not stout enough on every down to compensate for the points prevented by those excess turnovers.

A regression toward the mean on defense (which seems likely with the Lions, Bills and 49ers in the next section of their schedule) is going to expose the holes on the offense- Baker is going to be asked to do more, and we’ve seen how that ends: with interceptions, sacks and shitty commercials.

REVISED PREDICTION: 7-10, which still might win the division. Their schedule is looking mighty soft after visiting Santa Clara, so if they can avoid injuries and let the rest of their division self-destruct, they might slide into the playoffs again.

NFL NEWS:

-INJURIES! Each more injurious than the last!

Cardinals stalwart running back James Conner is out for at least 4 weeks with a knee injury, as is Dolphins wünderrookie De’Von Achane as they both head to IR. Achane is likely the more concerning one long-term, as a speedster dependent on acceleration.

Buffalo’s defense sustained yet another body blow, with elite linebacker (and cookie) Matt Milano likely out for the season with at least a broken leg PLUS a likely ACL tear. Overachiever. Gritty. Grinder.

The big news for Fantasy Degenerates is Justin Jefferson- first overall pick in many drafts- being placed on IR for a hamstring injury. While this puts him out for at least 4 weeks (Chicago, 49ers, Green Bay and Atlanta), the team is already talking about getting multiple opinions and not rushing him back. So, possible good news for the Saints, Broncos and Bears (again), but bad news for I Heart Big TDs, Nugz-n-Tugz and whoever else in your fantasy league reached for him.

NON-NFL NEWS:

FAT BEAR WEEK CONCLUDES!

The polls are still open as of press time, but DFO News is projecting a landslide victory for Mayhem Family Favorite 128 Grazer! Way to go, Mama Bear. At least one bear knows how to protect a lead.

WHAT’S ON TONIGHT:

Ice Footie returns! While the season-opening tilt will likely be over by the time you read this, it’s only Nashville and Tampa- neither of whom should exist.

Chicago Blackhawks at Pittsburgh Penguins
8 p.m. ET, 7 p.m. DFO on ESPN: Chicago’s ill-gotten reward for enabling and concealing sexual abuse, Connor Bedard, makes his career debut against the dessicated corpse-husk of Sidney Crosby.

Seattle Kraken at Vegas Golden Knights

10:30 p.m. ET, 9:30 p.m. DFO on ESPN

I really can’t hate on either of these teams. Seattle is a bunch of gritty try-hards with neat uniforms that will look ridiculously dated in 5 years (see: Marlins and Rockies). Vegas let Eichel do Eichel, and although they did Robin Lehner a little dirty by not having his name engraved on the Cup, they are perhaps the least annoying Hot Weather Hockey team.

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Horatio Cornblower

Just picked up a case where the plaintiff injured her right shoulder doing the famous “mom-arm” maneuver, throwing her arm out across her (adult) daughter to keep the kid from going forward.

My mother will still, (well, until I stopped letting her drive me anywhere), do this to me, despite being in her late-70’s and me weighing 210-215 lbs. on any given day. Mrs. Horatio has done it to me as well. All mothers do this. And yet I am not aware of a similar ‘Dad-arm’ maneuver. Is it because our superior male brain acknowledges the laws of physics and immediately rejects the maneuver as being useless, or is it because our “superior” male brain is too wrapped up in whatever dumbass argument we’re listening to on sports radio to even realize there’s been an accident until the kid in the front seat has already shot through the windshield.

Personally I suspect the latter, but I bet Ben Shapiro thinks it’s the former. As we all know, however, Ben, and only Ben, is all wet.

LemonJello

“That’s not the ‘mom-arm’ thing I’m used to getting!”
-MILF Hunter Z

2Pack

I can relate

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Game Time Decision

me weighing 210-215 lbs

Are you also 6’3″?

Horatio Cornblower

6’1″, which means on any given day I’m apparently about 3 lbs. from turning into an absolute physical train wreck.

WCS

Also on the verge of running for President!

Horatio Cornblower

/Horatio declares for President

//Closet door flies open

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LemonJello

But just imagine Lowratio running free on the South Lawn of the White House!

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Rikki-Tikki-Deadly

I think it has more to do with your astonishingly low score in “protective instincts”.

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Horatio Cornblower

/making my kid sign over power of attorney before I’ll buckle him into a car seat

Rikki-Tikki-Deadly

(worth noting that Michael Lewis – the guy who wrote that book on behalf of the ghoulish Tuohy family – is now going to bat for Sam Bankman-Fried)

Horatio Cornblower

Lewis seems like a real piece of shit. The Tuohy’s don’t seem great either, but they’re SEC boosters so it kind of isn’t a surprise.

ballsofsteelandfury

Are we talking about stopping short?

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Brick Meathook

I’m confused. Who is she suing? Her daughter? Or did she drive into something?

Horatio Cornblower

Multiple-vehicle accident. She was rear-ended and pushed into another vehicle.

Brick Meathook

Aaaah . . .

Rikki-Tikki-Deadly

“Hockey is for Everyone! (except for…you know, those people)” – the NHL

https://apnews.com/article/nhl-theme-nights-pride-tape-1617bcf9a3deba43b9d39e935222089f

LemonJello

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Horatio Cornblower

One of the greatest line in the history of cinema.

Rikki-Tikki-Deadly

Fun Fact: that was the original school motto for Bethel University, located just up the road from Terre Haute.

Brick Meathook

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Mr. Ayo

Congrats to your mom on her new dildo

Brick Meathook

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Horatio Cornblower

Lee Marvin appearance! Obligatory!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c91XUyg9iWM

Doktor Zymm

Brick, if you want a quick and decent read (by an Indian author with lots of citations) about the British military conflicts with the Maratha – https://indiafacts.org/ncert-joke-book-british-became-supreme-power-1765/

Doktor Zymm

If you want something more in-depth, there’s this book

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Brick Meathook

I get it. But the vastly outnumbered British still ruled for 200 years, and they didn’t do that without a lot of local help.

But that’s not my original point, which was that the British Empire did more good than bad. So did the Standard Oil Trust. That’s a fact. They weren’t evil, they just played the game better, that’s it.

Now have a vodka & orange-strawberry-banana cocktail on me and enjoy your evening, and thank you for the intelligent and civil discussion of ancient history.

Doktor Zymm

Yeah, I don’t disagree that a lot of good stuff came out of the British Empire, only in the prominence of force in establishing Empire. Whether the positives outweigh the negatives is more of a qualitative judgment than anything else.

I bet gin would go well with that juice too!

Brick Meathook

You can’t make an omelette without cracking a few eggs.

fleshwound_NPG

if matt canada keeps fucking with the stiller offense and the old ass ice stillers lose to such recent tanks like the hawks then we might be entering a golden age of salty yinzers

litre_cola

He should have been fired two weeks ago.

BrettFavresColonoscopy

Alright Blackhawks are winning by 2 and this isn’t a playoff game so goodnight, tip your waitress, etc

Dunstan

They already got Bedard, so they’re actually gonna try this year. Sort of.

Gumbygirl

My anxiety is through the fucking roof today guys. I suspect I’m not the only one, from all the skirmishing happening on here. Everybody settle down, for fucks sake! Here is a picture that made me giggle.

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ballsofsteelandfury

Very well played

Doktor Zymm

Hah! That’s great

SonOfSpam

Hey this place would be paradise except for all the prudes (glares at Balls)

SonOfSpam

Incidentally, “Glares At Balls” was my Indian name.

NO NOT THAT KIND OF INDIAN SHUT UP BRICK AND DOK

Brick Meathook

It’s California! Smoke some hash.

Brick Meathook

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BugEyedBoo

Guess it’s not wrong.

BrettFavresColonoscopy

THESE BLACKHAWKS I CALL THEM MY BEST FRIEND IN COLLEGE BECAUSE THEY ARE VERY LUCKY TO SCORE AFTER BEING A SLOPPY MESS ALL NIGHT

Doktor Zymm

I should take a cheesemaking class. Then we can have our own DFO cheese and scam the EU into giving it an Appelation

litre_cola

I want to make some from home with one of those kits.

BrettFavresColonoscopy

Does this game mean I don’t have to pay attention to hockey? Or do the Blackhawks have a real chance and I need to pay attention to pretend I’m a legit fan?

Mr. Ayo

Hockey is always fun to watch. Unless it’s the Blackhawks, because they suck as an organization. On the other hand Bedard looks good and should be monitored during his rookie season.

In conclusion, Chi**** is a land of contrasts.

Brick Meathook

I’m going to make a vodka cocktail. I take a tall glass, fill with ice cubes, pour 75-80% high with San-On brand Charcoal Filtered freezer vodka, then add mixer.

I just got all three of these today from Pavillions, which is just a Safeway for fancy people.

Which one should I use? I think a White Russian needs Kahlua, but I think I could fake that with Folgers instant coffee if I had to. MAYBE.

I’ve also got some legal California hashhish in the freezer as well.

Here’s my current mixer choices. What would the British Empire do?

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Mr. Ayo

Although I’ve done just the milk option, I would recommend the Orange Strawberry here.

Brick Meathook

I did! It’s good. We’re like vodka-mixer blood brothers, you and me.

BrettFavresColonoscopy

Did you go to the pavilions on Montana where Larry David shops?

Brick Meathook

No, Marina del Rey. I once Woody Harrelson there, though. That was pretty exciting.

BrettFavresColonoscopy

I made a lazy La Lousiane and absolutely should have measured more precisely and strained it out. But fuck it, good enough.

Rikki-Tikki-Deadly

I made beef stew but added a bunch of Japanese curry boullon. It was delicious but is sitting very heavy in my stomach now.

jjfozz

i’m eating stale pretzels

BrettFavresColonoscopy

Are they making you thirsty?

jjfozz

Yes. for more beer. Fucking Orioles.

Mr. Ayo

Just got up and immediately missed a Crosby goal. And when I returned, instead of getting a replay of the goal, I got endless replays off a potential offsides. Still haven’t seen a replay of the actual goal.

Hockey season is BACK!

BugEyedBoo

I’m on Day 2 of jury duty. They do it old school here in Columbus, and tag a hundred or so voters to do their civic duty. I got tagged for a jury earlier today least, but the voir dire got interrupted when the judge found out his wife got COVID from her trip to New Orleans. We’ll know what gives tomorrow.

The wheels of justice grind slowly, at least in Columbus they do. Lots of be there at 9 to get something started at 10.

BugEyedBoo

*today at least. This edit but sucks.

Doktor Zymm

I’m a fan of the way California does it, I just had to check a website each morning and turns out they never needed me

BugEyedBoo

Then and everybody else I know.

BugEyedBoo

Man do I suck when I post from my phone.

Doktor Zymm

I am filled with foreboding of the day I won’t be able to find a phone with a physical keyboard

jjfozz

You could stand up and say, “Either you make me the foreman of this fucked jury, or me and the little man who lives in my ear are leaving!”

jjfozz

What’s worse than having a bunch of slavering fuckwads pat themselves on the back during a meeting? Having your client encourage these said fuckwads to continue doing it. Plus it’s 9 at night, this meeting started at 8.

Doktor Zymm

They in Singapore or something? Can they send me some curry chee cheong fun?

jjfozz

It’s scheduled at this time to accomodate those who are in the Pacific. I don’t give a fucking rip. These people loooove to hear themselves talk. I haaaaate to hear them talk.

ballsofsteelandfury

Bullshit. Everyone on Best Coast is already home three drinks in.

Doktor Zymm

Not sure if Fozz meant the Pacific time zone, or the Pacific as in APAC. We used to have meetings around this time with people in Singapore, which is why I mentioned it originally. We didn’t expect people on the East coast to attend those meetings though, because even Meta isn’t that much of a jerk to its employees

ballsofsteelandfury

That would make more sense

King Hippo

I hate people who love to hear themselves talk. WHY IN FUCK’S NAME DID I EVER BECOME AN ATTORNEY

Dunstan

It should be legally permissible to shoot anyone who says “everyone says I should become a lawyer because I like to argue!”

LemonJello

Time for “Technical Difficulties” or “Loss of Connection”

Rikki-Tikki-Deadly

…curry chee cheong fun…

That sounds like something one of the characters in a Harmony Korine movie would say to a shopkeeper to distract them while their friend shoplifts a 40 oz of malt liquor.

BrettFavresColonoscopy

Evening

King Hippo

indeed, ’tis

litre_cola

Howdy from your hat.

Brick Meathook

I just made an in-depth post about the British Empire on the early thread, and this open thread started while I was writing it. Dang it! I’m reposting it here because I put some effort into it.
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The British Empire at its peak (under Queen Victoria) did a hell of a lot more good than bad. They spread global trade like no other entity, which includes all sorts of things still in use today like international banking, insurance, communications networks, etc. They were mostly private enterprise (represented by The City in London) governed, overseen, and protected by The Crown (represented by Westminster in London). Private enterprise always goes too far but at least The Crown was the mechanism for imposing a moral code.

The Commonwealth of today represents how the colonies all bought into the system to this day; they just wanted a bigger slice of the profits. India basically gave themselves to the East India Company and that’s a fact. A hundred Englishmen from the other side of the planet did not conquer a billion Indians by force. It was business. Britain didn’t conquer Hong Kong they leased it, and built it into the best part of China. China had valuable tea but you didn’t see them sailing to Europe to sell it; The Empire built functioning markets at both ends and connected them with great efficiency.

It was the other “Empires” that did most of the fucked up stuff: Spain, Portugal, Belgium, Germany, Russia, the Dutch, and most of all Japan.

By the end of the 19th century unfortunately The Empire had finally bred all of the enlightenment out of the British elite and they were churning out weaklings. World War I also killed off an entire generation of the strong ones, which had never happened before in the Empire’s history. Hitler and Mussolini (and the Japanese) knew this and were waiting for their chance to strike. The Empire really died in 1911 and it was petroleum that did it, far before the end of World War II, when the dirt was finally shoveled over its grave. The post Great War boundaries were due to the miserable failure of the Ottoman Empire, and the fact that the locals were completely backwards. At versailles they just drew lines on maps because what else were they going to do.

Sure, there were bad spots but the good outweighed the bad. Everyone deserves self-determination, and they eventually got it (for good and for bad) but don’t go calling the British evil because they weren’t. They made money, and money makes the world go round, and the colonists wanted their fair share of the money (see U.S. Revolution). And to this day most people on this planet who aren’t miserable peasants are direct beneficiaries of the British Empire.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qc7HmhrgTuQ

LemonJello

How do I know ChatGPT didn’t write this?

Brick Meathook

Ha ha because it has all my grammatical errors! That’s my copyrighting secret; map makers used to do this too, adding an innocuous fake street here and there to catch forgeries.

Mr. Ayo

I’m not reading all of that. But I’ll still toss you a +1 for the effort.

Brick Meathook

Thank you. Watch the attached video at the end which basically sums it up.

Horatio Cornblower

I was going to post that exact video in response.

Look, the British were a bunch of pricks, but if they hadn’t been my forefathers and mothers would have stayed in Ireland and I’d be over there, watching football, drinking beer, and speaking English instead of over…here…doing…all of…that.

ballsofsteelandfury

You’d be watching Gaelic Football, which would not be a bad thing.

Doktor Zymm

Eh, a lot of that is debatable, especially the bits about India, but I’m tired and I don’t actually care enough to debate about it right now. Singapore turned out well, I wish I had some curry chee cheong fun to eat right about now.

Brick Meathook

I’m most correct about India. Read Indian scholars about this, not the British accounts. The Indians gave themselves to the Empire because it made good business sense.

Gandhi and Jinnah were both educated at the finest law schools in Britain, so they were hardly slaves. After partition, there was a bloodbath between the Muslims and Hindus.

Doktor Zymm

The East India company was fortunate that they had established a toe-hold when the incredibly wealthy Mughal empire was starting to fall apart. The Company gained a lot of territory and influence by intervening in the Bengal War and they subsequently annexed territory and fought wars against the Maratha and the Mysore empires, effectively destroying them. That’s not exactly “giving themselves”

Doktor Zymm

It’s not nearly as hard to conquer a large population when that population is split between a bunch of kingdoms and smaller princely states that already spend a lot of time squabbling

ballsofsteelandfury

That’s pretty much the recipe, isn’t it?

See México and Africa and pretty much every other country ever conquered.

Brick Meathook

No, because Mexico and Africa were way underdeveloped. India wasn’t’t, and they weren’t weak or stupid. The Corporation offered them efficiency to make money, and The Corporation cut them in on the profits. They eventually wised up and wanted all of the profits (also see Iran and Saudi Arabia). It’s about money.

ballsofsteelandfury

The point I was making was about them being easy to conquer because of warring factions.

India is separate and I wouldn’t say they were conquered.

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Brick Meathook

That’s how Standard Oil became a world-wide monopoly. That’s how NFL offenses defeat the defense. That’s how the game is played.

Brick Meathook

Plus India wasn’t conquered! They sold themselves to The Corporation. The British didn’t have enough bullets to conquer India, and the military didn’t do it. Private enterprise did. The military came in when the Raj was established in 1847 to bring some order to the proceedings This was The Crown managing The City.

ballsofsteelandfury

Right. That’s what I said.

Brick Meathook

See? We agree completely!

BugEyedBoo

The Aztecs were conquered because their neighbors hated them.

Brick Meathook

Hey, sometimes you gotta punch off the clock and just do it out of passion.

Doktor Zymm

It’s really hard to get mountains of the skulls of your enemies approved by a HOA. Believe me, I know.

Brick Meathook

Oh they gave themselves, and Indian scholarship fully admits this. It was business. It was not a military conquest, it was a corporation. The East India Company would back one prince, and that prince would conquer his rival prince and then they would both be folded into the corporation and make money. Rinse and repeat and you’ve got yourself the Jewel In The Crown.

Doktor Zymm

It’s kind of hard to explain all the wars that the Company participated in and frequently initiated if you keep insisting there was no military conquest involved. There were something like 4 Anglo-Maratha wars alone. They were their own side in multiple naval battles as well.
They used lesser nawabs and such as puppet rulers to lend legitimacy to their interventions, give them excuses for breaking previous alliances, and consolidate power, and yes, those lesser rulers did agree to the situation because they got something out of it, but that doesn’t change the fact that they were set up in power only after territory was annexed by military force. That was the genesis of the original areas that were directly administered by Britain.

There were also a lot of political agreements that are more like what you describe, and they gained influence in a lot of territories that way, but that was mainly in the South, away from the Mughal and Maratha empires. They used multiple methods to expand their power in India, and military force was absolutely part of it.

Brick Meathook

The Indians fought each other and the British sponsored one side and afterwards folded both sides into the corporation.

The Indians were grown men with free wills and they fought each other for the money. They could have gotten together and killed all the British, but then they’d be left with no money.

Stop treating the Indians like they were simpleton retards. They knew what they were doing. They made their choices and they went for the money because that was in their own self-interest.

If the Mughals had managed themselves better there would have been no Empire. But they had already bred their elites into soft greedy weaklings when the British showed up in their prime.

This is Darwin’s theory in practice.

Doktor Zymm

Uh, you do know that the Mughal, Maratha, and other major empires in India before the Company showed up were incredibly wealthy right? That’s what they were fighting over to begin with, the Company didn’t bring money in. It’s not being a “simpleton retard” to ally yourself with outsiders who bring additional MILITARY FORCE to your side when you’re dealing with long-running internecine conflict.

And even that ignores the one-sided wars initiated by the Company, like the first Anglo-Maratha war. The Company had over 100,000 land troops in India before initiating the destruction of the Maratha, and the largest navy in the region. I don’t know how you can possibly keep saying there was no military conquest when it’s extensively documented. It’s even in Afghani historical records since they also had conflicts with the Mughals and Maratha.

Yes, part of India came under the control of the Company through political wheeling and dealing and participation in petty spats, but the initial phases of the Company gaining power in India came from military conflict with the existing large empires.

Doktor Zymm

This is exactly what I didn’t want to get into, I’m clearly not going to sway your incredibly simplistic POV on the Brits somehow buying an entire country that was far wealthier than they were, so I’m just going to eat my dinner (saag paneer) and play Civ (as the Cree)

Brick Meathook

Sorry Doc but I’m pretty educated here, and not from X (formerly known as Twitter). Break it down: the Mughals were greedy and weak, otherwise they could have killed all the British easily. But they didn’t, because the British offered markets and profits and the Mughals bought in. There was no British military force for a thousand miles; The Corporation orchestrated it; the princes fought the battles for them.

There’s no mathematical way a few hundred civilian businessmen from the other side of the globe “conquer” a sub-continent of a billion people. Even if they had a military force (that would need logistical support from 10,000 miles away in the age of sail; it ain’t happening) they could never conquer that many people. The Mughals bought into The Corporation and brought the others with them. That’s how Standard Oil did it, that’s how MCA did it in Hollywood (and invented Ronald Reagan the politician to boot), and that’s how the game is played. Money = power = more money. Simple as that. Pure math. Everything else is just set dressing or emotion.

I’m a good student of history, Zymm, and from prime sources. I should pursue a doctorate in this.

Doktor Zymm

Go for it. You can also keep talking about only the Mughals when I was talking about the Marathas. They both start with M so they’re probably exactly the same, right?

And I guess you’re just ignoring all the primary evidence from scores of sources that yes, they did have a military. The Company’s private army was about double the size of the British army at the time, but SHHHHH.

And of course nevermind that they didn’t actually have any commodities that the various empires, including the Mughal empire, wanted, and they also didn’t have gold. All they had that the empires wanted was military aid. It’s clearly written in the Treaty of Allahabad that the nawab of the Mughals would pay the Company for troops the Company sent to his aid.

So just make stuff up, say that you’re citing primary sources without mentioning what any of them are, and ignore the vast preponderance of evidence that directly contradicts your theory. Cool, cool, dissertation committees love that sort of thing.

Brick Meathook

Yes. PRIVATE army. The Corporation, not The Crown. They reported to their shareholders only. this is the whole point. Who was that army? Where did they come from? They were INDIAN. The Crown and it’s military came in a hundred years later to oversee their tax base.

Also, you didn’t cite your sources either; however, my un-cited sources are definitive. It’s about math: follow the money. That’s the straightest line between the dots.

It’s late Zymm, so let’s be civil and just agree that I’m right and you’re wrong and we can leave it at that.

Doktor Zymm

Oh, didn’t know that private armies didn’t count. Still thought they were military constructs that engaged in military action. This guy who died in the 2nd Anglo-Maratha war would probably be surprised to discover he didn’t die during an act of military conquest.

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When you gain power over territory as the direct result of war and battles, that’s military conquest. Doesn’t matter where you got the soldiers from. I could conquer territory with drones and no human troops whatsoever, that would still be military conquest.

And the Treaty of Allahabad and the documents I posted above aren’t sources?

Doktor Zymm

Curious how you explain this record of soldiers discharged from the Company’s private army if they didn’t exist. Why are they paying off some Private in Bombay (originally from London) for being worn out if no such soldiers existed?? A MYSTERY

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Brick Meathook

Sure there’s a couple, there’s always exceptions if you want to find them. Those were mercenaries, and you can always find them too. But that few soldiers didn’t take over management of a billion people without a LOT of local assistance.

Brick Meathook

The only military conquest was the Indian princes fighting each other.

BugEyedBoo

From what I gather, China ceded Hong Kong to the British after the First Opium War. Great Britain declared war on China to force China to leave certain ports open to allow the importation of opium into China.

I know I wouldn’t try to spin the British Empire as being all cuddly and shit.

Brick Meathook

They weren’t cuddly, only puppies are. It was good business.

ballsofsteelandfury

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Brick Meathook

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ballsofsteelandfury

I agree with you. I think the most salient point is when you said is, “By the end of the 19th century unfortunately The Empire had finally bred all of the enlightenment out of the British elite and they were churning out weaklings.”

That really explains the problems we’ve faced post-Empire.

There is some saying somewhere and I can’t remember it, but it’s something along the lines of the contemporary British (and this is from the 20th century) acting with all the superiority of the Empire without actually earning it by running one.

You get the gist.

Brick Meathook

The U.K. today is a museum under American protection. The last vestige of The Empire is its powerful banking system.

litre_cola

If TWBS was alive he would not be shocked by his Orioles.

Rikki-Tikki-Deadly

I’m glad he’s not around to see this. I mean, I’m sure they have cable TV in heaven, but he’s too busy hitting on a Bennigan’s hostess to pay much attention.

LemonJello

AppSt doing poorly, but what do you expect? They’re probably still hungover from the weekend.

blaxabbath

“DoN’t YeW TaLk ‘bOuT COAL LIKE THAT!”

-App St QB1

blaxabbath

ESPN has this touching ‘sports is special/the great things about sport’ commercial.

Then they’re like, “Tune in for First Take….!”

LemonJello

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Haha — this WR from Jville state dropped a really great pass. Announcer mention he’s a transfer from Arizona.

I’m like, that dude must suck if he couldn’t get targets at Arizona. Then they replayed the drop and i was like, this makes sense.

Rikki-Tikki-Deadly

Family get-togethers are always tense because none of his child-rearing sisters and cousins will let him hold their babies.

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18-19% is also going to be Black Powder’s QBR, displayed as a percentage, without Connor in the offense for a month.

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I’m picking up Liberty at Jville St on TruTV.

The Lord God who backs Israel in this war must be a House Divided.

LemonJello

Watching AppSt v Coastal Carolina on ESP2.

No, YOU have a problem!

BugEyedBoo

I’m watching Dancing With the Stars. Adrian Peterson is on. I’m too pooped to fight with my wife, or even leave the room.

Doktor Zymm

As long as they aren’t dancing to “Whip it”

BugEyedBoo

Swear to god I’ve been racking my brains for an AP joke, but getting bupkis.

LemonJello

Just need to switch things up.

Things, in this case, are NAWT children’s testicles.

scotchnaut

Fractured Skull/Concussed Kid Update:

He’s said for the last two days that he wanted to go into work today. Wife and I tried to shut him down but he’s the stubbornest. I told the guys at work that he might show up. They were incredulous, of course. Welp, who punched in at 11am?

/he lasted 3 1/2 hours and then went home

LemonJello

3.5 hours? What’s his job? Canadian Speaker of the Upper Chamber of Lords?

Game Time Decision

3.5 hours?
In one day?
Consecutively?
No way
-Doug Ford

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::nibbles on candy necklace::

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That is a respectable showing.